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Old 11-06-2025 | 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
This is very likely exactly what the legacies will do. Those without a regional feed will feel the impacts much more than the big 3.

IF things drag on into next week, you might start to see some 'equipment changes' at legacies, but probably not all that much.

I suspect this 'reduction' will prove to be a forcing function, and is the beginning of the end of this shutdown... I'd be surprised if it goes another week, and absolutely shocked if this goes 2 (right up to weekend-prior to Thanksgiving, with a surge in travel).

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Although I don’t think it’s an across the board 10% shutdown. Just in about 30 of the major terminals. But I think we are seeing the end play out, and it may not even happen at all.
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Old 11-06-2025 | 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by N152SY
10% isn’t even a drop in the bucket for the large 3. What’ll likely happen is you’ll see the regionals take the brunt of the cancels and the mainline upgauge flights while taking a turn or two out from their inventory. For an airline like Southwest instead of running 37 LAS-PHX flights a day they’ll probably run 32 instead,etc.
I kinda wondered about that. The news source I read said the FAA asked each airline to cut 10% at 40 or so airports. Is the FAA gonna let the industry treat the regionals as though they are actually part of the legacies? As in cutting flights at Envoy, PSA, Peidmont, AE flights by Skywest etc, are the same as cutting flights at AA, for example? If I were Southwest, Jetblue, Spirit, etc, I'd be calling foul.
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Old 11-06-2025 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by highfarfast
I kinda wondered about that. The news source I read said the FAA asked each airline to cut 10% at 40 or so airports. Is the FAA gonna let the industry treat the regionals as though they are actually part of the legacies? As in cutting flights at Envoy, PSA, Peidmont, AE flights by Skywest etc, are the same as cutting flights at AA, for example? If I were Southwest, Jetblue, Spirit, etc, I'd be calling foul.
Well, since the ticket is sold as a DL/UA/AA ticket, with corresponding flight number... That's a benefit of that business model.

In this one instance, however, I might be willing to give an exception to a company in Bankruptcy proceedings, and let NK fly unmolested.
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Old 11-06-2025 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
Well, since the ticket is sold as a DL/UA/AA ticket, with corresponding flight number... That's a benefit of that business model.
Up to a certain point (heavies/supers and wake turb separation), it doesn't really matter what the aircraft is; it still takes the same amount of ATC human resources. That being said, I'd suspect the airports where the feds decide to cut flights will more heavily impact the Big 3 and WN to a lesser extent (suspect they take it on the nose in DEN, but probably get spared some pain elsewhere due to the point-to-point model). I imagine it's kind of a wash if you're, say F9 or NK on the outside of the large hubs looking in. If you're G4 or Breeze it's probably just another Friday. At least for now.

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Old 11-06-2025 | 08:35 AM
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Another thing that could get interesting is whether or not affected crews will get pay protected for canceled trips (contract dependent obviously) but technically the airlines could claim force majeure if they wanted. Same goes for pax and ticket refunds.
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Old 11-06-2025 | 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by N152SY
Another thing that could get interesting is whether or not affected crews will get pay protected for canceled trips (contract dependent obviously) but technically the airlines could claim force majeure if they wanted. Same goes for pax and ticket refunds.
I have zero concerns about this at DL
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Old 11-06-2025 | 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
I have zero concerns about this at DL
yeah I was more thinking at the regional level. Happened during Covid
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Old 11-06-2025 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
This is very likely exactly what the legacies will do. Those without a regional feed will feel the impacts much more than the big 3.

IF things drag on into next week, you might start to see some 'equipment changes' at legacies, but probably not all that much.

I suspect this 'reduction' will prove to be a forcing function, and is the beginning of the end of this shutdown... I'd be surprised if it goes another week, and absolutely shocked if this goes 2 (right up to weekend-prior to Thanksgiving, with a surge in travel).
The problem is that these are all large hubs and major airports being shutdown. It’s not a proportional 10%.
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Old 11-06-2025 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
The problem is that these are all large hubs and major airports being shutdown. It’s not a proportional 10%.
Well, since they’re the busiest airports they have more federal employees working there than BIS or OAJ.. Makes sense the busy places would be most affected by a federal shutdown.
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Old 11-06-2025 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
The problem is that these are all large hubs and major airports being shutdown. It’s not a proportional 10%.
Okay, but RJ’s fly into all those hubs, no? I’d still expect RJ’s to take a disproportionate hit. That doesn’t even take into consideration the minimizing of impacted pax by cancelling an RJ over mainline.
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