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05-10-2026 | 05:13 AM
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05-10-2026 | 01:43 PM
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Another thing to consider is that pilots who were hired within the last decade haven’t had to pass an elaborate physical, only needing a Class 1 medical. As a result there are quite a few diseases one could have had as a new hire that may not bode well for longevity. It will be interesting to see how long the pilots of the future live, and until we get there, we really don’t know.
Longevity, as a metric, is important as it correlates with mental decline, so let’s look at how the US does in the latter. Not too well. We are in fact #8 in Alzheimer’s & Dementia deaths, with no “fly beyond 65” countries worse than us. See link:
https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/...ia/by-country/
Longevity, as a metric, is important as it correlates with mental decline, so let’s look at how the US does in the latter. Not too well. We are in fact #8 in Alzheimer’s & Dementia deaths, with no “fly beyond 65” countries worse than us. See link:
https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/...ia/by-country/
05-10-2026 | 04:39 PM
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Yes there is a statistical difference between the average life expectancy and an individuals life expectancy in middle age, due to infant mortality, accidents, etc. The fact that the average gender gap remains constant across nations, leads me to believe that the United States overall lower life expectancy (compared to some other industrialized nations) is due to our poor health. If you doubt this go to Walmart, then go to any store in Switzerland, Japan, Germany.
The US has the highest rate of obesity, highest caloric intake, highest sugar intake, and lowest level of physical activity.
I know you really want to fly until you die, but trying to argue that the US population (and thus pilots) are as healthily as the Japanese is disingenuous.
The US has the highest rate of obesity, highest caloric intake, highest sugar intake, and lowest level of physical activity.
I know you really want to fly until you die, but trying to argue that the US population (and thus pilots) are as healthily as the Japanese is disingenuous.
The US is *not* a homogeneous society, like Japan and Scandinavia which everyone contrasts us to.
US general population statistics is 100% garbage if applied to upper middle-class professionals, especially those who not only have the means but also actually have an incentive to be healthy to keep their jobs.
My premise is if .gov wants to deprive us of some of our liberty than do some science on the relevant demographic. It's OK if they take the time to do it right before potentially raising the age.
05-10-2026 | 05:50 PM
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This whole argument is disingenuous, and it keeps coming up.
The US is *not* a homogeneous society, like Japan and Scandinavia which everyone contrasts us to.
US general population statistics is 100% garbage if applied to upper middle-class professionals, especially those who not only have the means but also actually have an incentive to be healthy to keep their jobs.
My premise is if .gov wants to deprive us of some of our liberty than do some science on the relevant demographic. It's OK if they take the time to do it right before potentially raising the age.
The US is *not* a homogeneous society, like Japan and Scandinavia which everyone contrasts us to.
US general population statistics is 100% garbage if applied to upper middle-class professionals, especially those who not only have the means but also actually have an incentive to be healthy to keep their jobs.
My premise is if .gov wants to deprive us of some of our liberty than do some science on the relevant demographic. It's OK if they take the time to do it right before potentially raising the age.
05-10-2026 | 06:47 PM
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05-10-2026 | 08:01 PM
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She passed her cog test with flying colors. She could be in a cockpit tomorrow if it wasn’t for this silly age restriction.
05-10-2026 | 08:34 PM
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This whole argument is disingenuous, and it keeps coming up.
The US is *not* a homogeneous society, like Japan and Scandinavia which everyone contrasts us to.
US general population statistics is 100% garbage if applied to upper middle-class professionals, especially those who not only have the means but also actually have an incentive to be healthy to keep their jobs.
My premise is if .gov wants to deprive us of some of our liberty than do some science on the relevant demographic. It's OK if they take the time to do it right before potentially raising the age.
The US is *not* a homogeneous society, like Japan and Scandinavia which everyone contrasts us to.
US general population statistics is 100% garbage if applied to upper middle-class professionals, especially those who not only have the means but also actually have an incentive to be healthy to keep their jobs.
My premise is if .gov wants to deprive us of some of our liberty than do some science on the relevant demographic. It's OK if they take the time to do it right before potentially raising the age.
We all considered the current restrictions good enough when we started. The current system is a good balance between the invasiveness of testing and a reasonable retirement age. Taking a cog test every year sounds absolutely terrible. Fail it because you didn’t get a good nights sleep and you’ll be in a months/years long struggle with the FAA medical bureaucracy.
Yesterday | 12:56 PM
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I have a family member in her 70’s who just had an annual medical. We have been concerned about her memory since she will tell you the same story 3x in one night, remind you numerous times of directions throughout the drive to places you’ve taken her dozens of times, and gets flustered very easily.
She passed her cog test with flying colors. She could be in a cockpit tomorrow if it wasn’t for this silly age restriction.
She passed her cog test with flying colors. She could be in a cockpit tomorrow if it wasn’t for this silly age restriction.
You don’t have a “right” or “liberty” to fly an airplane.
We all considered the current restrictions good enough when we started. The current system is a good balance between the invasiveness of testing and a reasonable retirement age. Taking a cog test every year sounds absolutely terrible. Fail it because you didn’t get a good nights sleep and you’ll be in a months/years long struggle with the FAA medical bureaucracy.
We all considered the current restrictions good enough when we started. The current system is a good balance between the invasiveness of testing and a reasonable retirement age. Taking a cog test every year sounds absolutely terrible. Fail it because you didn’t get a good nights sleep and you’ll be in a months/years long struggle with the FAA medical bureaucracy.
I wouldn't want my family flying on an airplane with 180ToAJ's grandmother at the controls even though she passed the cog test, nor someone who couldn't pass due to "a good nights sleep". Have you seen a cog test? an example .... piece of paper with a circle drawn on it. Instructions say write the numbers in the circle like a clock face. My father wrote about eight numbers , 5 of which were in the northeast quadrant, a couple were outside the circle completely and he didn't even write about 4 numbers. Yet if you talked to him , he just seemed a little forgetful... akin to 180's grandmother. In looking looking at cog tests....it appears my dad took a mini cog. If one can't pass a mini cog you shouldn't be flying Period!
https://helpdementia.com/what-is-the...ccurate-is-it/
Yesterday | 01:21 PM
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Can 2 things be true at the same time.
I wouldn't want my family flying on an airplane with 180ToAJ's grandmother at the controls even though she passed the cog test, nor someone who couldn't pass due to "a good nights sleep". Have you seen a cog test? an example .... piece of paper with a circle drawn on it. Instructions say write the numbers in the circle like a clock face. My father wrote about eight numbers , 5 of which were in the northeast quadrant, a couple were outside the circle completely and he didn't even write about 4 numbers. Yet if you talked to him , he just seemed a little forgetful... akin to 180's grandmother. In looking looking at cog tests....it appears my dad took a mini cog. If one can't pass a mini cog you shouldn't be flying Period!
https://helpdementia.com/what-is-the...ccurate-is-it/
I wouldn't want my family flying on an airplane with 180ToAJ's grandmother at the controls even though she passed the cog test, nor someone who couldn't pass due to "a good nights sleep". Have you seen a cog test? an example .... piece of paper with a circle drawn on it. Instructions say write the numbers in the circle like a clock face. My father wrote about eight numbers , 5 of which were in the northeast quadrant, a couple were outside the circle completely and he didn't even write about 4 numbers. Yet if you talked to him , he just seemed a little forgetful... akin to 180's grandmother. In looking looking at cog tests....it appears my dad took a mini cog. If one can't pass a mini cog you shouldn't be flying Period!
https://helpdementia.com/what-is-the...ccurate-is-it/
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