LEPF DFR Lawsuit
#231
No, it issue is not whether YOUR 65th birthday is an appropriate measurement, it is whether the masses, writ large, can be assured are fully capable by that measurement. The Class 1 is YOUR measurement, 65 is a 'secondary barrier' which is there to be reasonably sure that people flying John Q Public around, unaware and unable to pick their pilot, can reasonably be assured are good to go.
Does 65 screen out some fully capable pilots? I'm sure it does. But the Government and public would rather a few 66 year olds not fly part 121 than risk having age-related decline creep into the impeccable safety record. It's all about risk mitigation, and 65 is an admittedly blunt instrument to 'trap the error' of insidious decline. And the public wants it that way.
You completely miss the point. If there are people flying at 64 (or 60, or...) with undiagnosed 'measurable cognitive decline', it's already a problem and raising the age will clearly make that problem worse.
Most of us find the often-stated arguments for raising the age to be self-serving and uncompelling.
Does 65 screen out some fully capable pilots? I'm sure it does. But the Government and public would rather a few 66 year olds not fly part 121 than risk having age-related decline creep into the impeccable safety record. It's all about risk mitigation, and 65 is an admittedly blunt instrument to 'trap the error' of insidious decline. And the public wants it that way.
You completely miss the point. If there are people flying at 64 (or 60, or...) with undiagnosed 'measurable cognitive decline', it's already a problem and raising the age will clearly make that problem worse.
Most of us find the often-stated arguments for raising the age to be self-serving and uncompelling.
As to age 67, frankly I’m ambivalent. With a year to go and being #1 in my seat it won’t affect me either way. Would I stay if it passed? Every time my alarm goes off at 0400 I’m less inclined to hang around.
#232
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I take cogs yearly (have a family history of dementia). My Neurologist has me do them. They are not hard. You don't get a score, the doctor knows the level and relays that to you. I'm consistently highly cognitive. I don't think many of you here understand what "cognitive decline" really is. You certainly haven't spoken with professionals about it, either has the FAA. But then again, the FAA med system is a total joke anyway. We're just now seeing them forced to address pilot mental health in a serious way that doesn't automatically nuke your medical for the duration. Baby steps.
For the older guys, you shouldn't be afraid of the standardized cog tests given to you. They are very very easy and nothing to be afraid of. I'm against age 67. You all know that. However, I think your cognitive decline arguments are not accurate. I could see 67 passing with mandatory cog testing once a year above age 65. I've heard it being discussed. But that's just a talk right now. I don't see age 67 happening anytime soon at the glacial pace the FAA and dot gov moves at.
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#235
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So you are a neurologist now? Or did you sleep at a Holiday Inn?
I take cogs yearly (have a family history of dementia). My Neurologist has me do them. They are not hard. You don't get a score, the doctor knows the level and relays that to you. I'm consistently highly cognitive. I don't think many of you here understand what "cognitive decline" really is. You certainly haven't spoken with professionals about it, either has the FAA. But then again, the FAA med system is a total joke anyway. We're just now seeing them forced to address pilot mental health in a serious way that doesn't automatically nuke your medical for the duration. Baby steps.
For the older guys, you shouldn't be afraid of the standardized cog tests given to you. They are very very easy and nothing to be afraid of. I'm against age 67. You all know that. However, I think your cognitive decline arguments are not accurate. I could see 67 passing with mandatory cog testing once a year above age 65. I've heard it being discussed. But that's just a talk right now. I don't see age 67 happening anytime soon at the glacial pace the FAA and dot gov moves at.
I take cogs yearly (have a family history of dementia). My Neurologist has me do them. They are not hard. You don't get a score, the doctor knows the level and relays that to you. I'm consistently highly cognitive. I don't think many of you here understand what "cognitive decline" really is. You certainly haven't spoken with professionals about it, either has the FAA. But then again, the FAA med system is a total joke anyway. We're just now seeing them forced to address pilot mental health in a serious way that doesn't automatically nuke your medical for the duration. Baby steps.
For the older guys, you shouldn't be afraid of the standardized cog tests given to you. They are very very easy and nothing to be afraid of. I'm against age 67. You all know that. However, I think your cognitive decline arguments are not accurate. I could see 67 passing with mandatory cog testing once a year above age 65. I've heard it being discussed. But that's just a talk right now. I don't see age 67 happening anytime soon at the glacial pace the FAA and dot gov moves at.
#236
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I’m 64, with a full head of gray hair. I’ve never had a passenger express trepidation about my “advanced” age while boarding the jet. Some of my junior and young FO’s however have been the brunt of some of ignorant comments.
As to age 67, frankly I’m ambivalent. With a year to go and being #1 in my seat it won’t affect me either way. Would I stay if it passed? Every time my alarm goes off at 0400 I’m less inclined to hang around.
As to age 67, frankly I’m ambivalent. With a year to go and being #1 in my seat it won’t affect me either way. Would I stay if it passed? Every time my alarm goes off at 0400 I’m less inclined to hang around.
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Then again, very few of their arguments make sense.
#238
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The “cogs” you are taking are not like the FAA’s used for head injuries, stroke, HIMS recovery, and other neurological issues. These require an entire day of various testing which take the pilot to failure in each event - that’s how they know your limit in each category. These are administered, and yes scored, by an FAA designated Psychiatrist/Psychologist. No joke.
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But hey sometimes he thinks about not going to work while he gets ready to go to work. Maybe he’ll just stick around a few more years while he mulls it over.
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