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Originally Posted by PineappleXpres
(Post 4025071)
You’re right we’ll print our way out and just hyper inflate so we can survive 10/ at the pump. I wouldn’t mess with us either, but no we won’t out last an economic crisis.
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 4025059)
Trump is lying to the American people. How the deal was so close, how Iran had basically agreed to everything. Now Iran saying they are no where close to an agreement.
Only one side is manipulating the stock market for personal gain and grifting. The official representative of the government of Iran doesn’t do that if any of your statements are true, nor if they don’t have support from the very top. What very likely happened is that the IRGC didn’t like ‘peaceful’ events going against “the revolution”, and seized control/went rogue. |
Originally Posted by FangsF15
(Post 4025093)
You ignore the fact the Iranian Foreign Minister and Parliament speaker put out the fact that the Straight was “completely open”. Even Al Jazeera reported it.
The official representative of the government of Iran doesn’t do that if any of your statements are true, nor if they don’t have support from the very top. What very likely happened is that the IRGC didn’t like ‘peaceful’ events going against “the revolution”, and seized control/went rogue. The POTUS Simultaneously said it was open and blockaded. Of course they then closed it. Some of the posts here read like they are from cable news. |
Originally Posted by Round Luggage
(Post 4025099)
mental gymnastics.
The POTUS Simultaneously said it was open and blockaded. Of course they then closed it. Some of the posts here read like they are from cable news. Doesn't anyone in a leadership role remember the legend of Croesus and his consulting the Oracle of Delphi? And the objective fact that the nation he then attacked was Persia? |
Originally Posted by Round Luggage
(Post 4025099)
mental gymnastics.
The POTUS Simultaneously said it was open and blockaded. Of course they then closed it. Some of the posts here read like they are from cable news. You can try to claim this is part of some game on the part of the Iranians if you want, but you can't accuse the president of "lying" when the official representatives of the other side are formally validating the critical parts of what he is saying in public. That' s just bias coming screaming through. Again, IMO it is far more likely that there are two competing factions within the Iranian government, and the IRGC is (in their minds) putting a capital "G" in IRGC. Almost a "over my dead body" kind of thing (maybe literally...) This is far from over, from either perspective. Claims of 'this is over' are just as ridiculous as those who claim the sky is (inevitably) falling. There is a lot of baseball left to play... |
Originally Posted by FangsF15
(Post 4025107)
It's not mental gymnastics in the slightest. Did the Foreign minister and Speaker of the Parliament, the official representatives of Iran, declare the straight "completely open" or not? The president is simply stating that the blockade of Iranian ports will only be lifted when the handshake deal is formalized in ink. It's called a backstop. It happens all the time in negotiations, big and small.
Yep. You can try to claim this is part of some game on the part of the Iranians if you want, but you can't accuse the president of "lying" when the official representatives of the other side are formally validating the critical parts of what he is saying in public. That' s just bias coming screaming through. Again, IMO it is far more likely that there are two competing factions within the Iranian government, and the IRGC is (in their minds) putting a capital "G" in IRGC. Almost a "over my dead body" kind of thing (maybe literally...) This is far from over, from either perspective. Claims of 'this is over' are just as ridiculous as those who claim the sky is (inevitably) falling. There is a lot of baseball left to play... If you hurry a miracle, you get a rotten miracle Miracle Max |
Originally Posted by FangsF15
(Post 4025107)
It's not mental gymnastics in the slightest. Did the Foreign minister and Speaker of the Parliament, the official representatives of Iran, declare the straight "completely open" or not? The president is simply stating that the blockade of Iranian ports will only be lifted when the handshake deal is formalized in ink. It's called a backstop. It happens all the time in negotiations, big and small.
You can try to claim this is part of some game on the part of the Iranians if you want, but you can't accuse the president of "lying" when the official representatives of the other side are formally validating the critical parts of what he is saying in public. That' s just bias coming screaming through. Again, IMO it is far more likely that there are two competing factions within the Iranian government, and the IRGC is (in their minds) putting a capital "G" in IRGC. Almost a "over my dead body" kind of thing (maybe literally...) This is far from over, from either perspective. Claims of 'this is over' are just as ridiculous as those who claim the sky is (inevitably) falling. There is a lot of baseball left to play... |
Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
(Post 4025113)
Last gasps of some rogue IRGC fellas that are pizzed their cheese was moved. They will soon be irrelevant. I firmly believe we are on the cusp of something brilliant happening in Iran. Can you imagine, in our lifetime Fangs, an Iran not ruled by mullahs buttressed by the IRGC?
How will Iran be governed going forward? Who is leading this movement for change and taking out the IRGC? |
Originally Posted by jerryleber
(Post 4025114)
Awesome!
How will Iran be governed going forward? Who is leading this movement for change and taking out the IRGC? The rest, that's up to the Iranians. |
Originally Posted by FangsF15
(Post 4025107)
It's not mental gymnastics in the slightest. Did the Foreign minister and Speaker of the Parliament, the official representatives of Iran, declare the straight "completely open" or not? The president is simply stating that the blockade of Iranian ports will only be lifted when the handshake deal is formalized in ink. It's called a backstop. It happens all the time in negotiations, big and small.
You can try to claim this is part of some game on the part of the Iranians if you want, but you can't accuse the president of "lying" when the official representatives of the other side are formally validating the critical parts of what he is saying in public. That' s just bias coming screaming through. Again, IMO it is far more likely that there are two competing factions within the Iranian government, and the IRGC is (in their minds) putting a capital "G" in IRGC. Almost a "over my dead body" kind of thing (maybe literally...) This is far from over, from either perspective. Claims of 'this is over' are just as ridiculous as those who claim the sky is (inevitably) falling. There is a lot of baseball left to play... Might be bad, might be good. Good that the regime is fracturing, means the pressure is working. Bad that it might be harder to settle this thing. Good that *somebody* over there seems inclined to cooperate. Bad that we don't know who will ultimately wind up in charge. Stand by to stand by. |
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