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Originally Posted by BlueScholar
(Post 4013172)
You don’t see any difference between the price of oil spiking because another country launched an invasion, versus America and our own elected leaders deciding to invade another country and destabilize the middle was yet again, for no clear reason and certainly not to distract from the Epstein Files? You really don’t understand the concept of a self inflicted crisis?
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
(Post 4013258)
Wait, are you actually saying you think the President launched strikes on Iran to distract from the Epstein Files???
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Originally Posted by OpieTaylor
(Post 4013253)
Would it be reasonable to think this means the centrifuges were destroyed?
Fairly reasonable to believe some enriched material was evacuated, and this statement is still 100% true. Maybe “throughly yanked” is an incorrect paraphrase designed to overstate a fact, in order to embarrass the success of the actual facts. Yes they could have waited until they built another centrifuge, or enriched material further but that doesn’t also mean destroying it would be easier at a future date. Hence the release above. |
Originally Posted by CBreezy
(Post 4013272)
As part of the debate last summer, people mentioned to the administration that there was trucking activity at the site in the weeks leading up to the bombing and suggested most of the material had been relocated. The administration attacked the reporters who dared suggest that.
Hence the release above. This is a fair point. Assessments can and do change. Not sure if that fully explains the ‘now’, or if the Iranians greatly accelerated their efforts, or both. |
Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
(Post 4013271)
Does this surprise you given all the other insane and downright comical things these people actually believe in?
the number of L’s they’ve taken since March 2020 is astonishing yet they keep trying. |
Originally Posted by CBreezy
(Post 4013272)
As part of the debate last summer, people mentioned to the administration that there was trucking activity at the site in the weeks leading up to the bombing and suggested most of the material had been relocated. The administration attacked the reporters who dared suggest that.
Hence the release above. |
Originally Posted by FangsF15
(Post 4013276)
This is a fair point.
Assessments can and do change. Not sure if that fully explains the ‘now’, or if the Iranians greatly accelerated their efforts, or both. It seems like the “now” was that Israel was determined to seize the opportunity to strike the supreme leader. They gave courtesy notice to the US. Iran was determined to drag the US into the Israel fight because they lost the Syria/Hezbollah threats to check Israel. Trump’s options were shoot down Israel planes, withdraw iron dome support for civilians, or hunker down while Iran responded to the Israel strike. Trump decided to own the whole thing instead of just responding to Iranian aggression provoked by Israel. Sounds like midnight hammer set them far enough back for Trump to be happy but not for Bibi to be happy, which is why Trump has an obvious pivot. |
Originally Posted by OpieTaylor
(Post 4013315)
It seems like the “now” was that Israel was determined to seize the opportunity to strike the supreme leader. They gave courtesy notice to the US.
Iran was determined to drag the US into the Israel fight because they lost the Syria/Hezbollah threats to check Israel. Trump’s options were shoot down Israel planes, withdraw iron dome support for civilians, or hunker down while Iran responded to the Israel strike. Trump decided to own the whole thing instead of just responding to Iranian aggression provoked by Israel. “Seems” like an Armchair General take, which reveals a pretty stark bias. |
Originally Posted by FangsF15
(Post 4013318)
What evidence to you have which led you to that conclusion?
“Seems” like an Armchair General take, which reveals a pretty stark bias. It’s reported in the news Trump needs congress to do this unless there isn’t time for congress. The only way to explain the urgency is the idea Israel was going to act alone if need be, and Iran had a creditable threat of attacking US if Iran was attacked by Israel. Everyone can armchair. Did Japan surrender to the US because of the atomic bombs destruction or because Russia declared war in Manchuria. No one can prove Japan was going to surrender anyway without Russia declaring war. It’s just sort of obvious to everyone except the Japanese. They think we dropped the bomb for no reason, and they would have surrendered when Russia declared war without dropping it. Just a bunch of indiscriminate killers. |
Originally Posted by FangsF15
(Post 4013258)
Wait, are you actually saying you think the President launched strikes on Iran to distract from the Epstein Files???
Originally Posted by CBreezy
(Post 4013272)
As part of the debate last summer, people mentioned to the administration that there was trucking activity at the site in the weeks leading up to the bombing and suggested most of the material had been relocated. The administration attacked the reporters who dared suggest that.
Hence the release above.
Originally Posted by FangsF15
(Post 4013276)
This is a fair point.
Assessments can and do change. Not sure if that fully explains the ‘now’, or if the Iranians greatly accelerated their efforts, or both. No partisan politics unless it matches the political inclination of the two mods here, Fangs and rickair. You people said it was off limits to discuss the why or how we got to this war, and only the impacts going forward could be discussed. But if you’re asking:
Originally Posted by FangsF15
(Post 4013258)
Wait, are you actually saying you think the President launched strikes on Iran to distract from the Epstein Files???
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15579503/amp/Trump-tariffs-defeat-Iran-attack.html |
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