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Beech Dude 03-12-2026 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 4012213)
Gulf I was BoG because Iraq had BoG in other countries.

Gulf II was revenge, we were collectively mighty pizzed off.

Gulf III has limited domestic support to begin with, and almost none for BoG. I hope and assume that congress would interject themselves if it got to that... they'd have more to fear from their own constituents than from Trump at that point.



I kind of doubt it was a deal per se, but it might have been a reward for good behavior... both RU and PRC are sitting this one out, aside from the usual strongly worded diplomatic scoldings.

They just aren't involved in any direct action. You better believe they are aiding Iran and collecting everything they can on us like Gollum going after his precious

Jetlikespeed 03-12-2026 07:43 PM


Originally Posted by BobSacamano (Post 4012209)
UBS thinks that only UA, DL, and WN can stay in the black at these gas prices.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-G...rices.amp.html

was hoping Alaska would be on that list but I guess merging 2 companies and fighting rising fuel cost are not a winning combo wonder if AS will “right size” the HA side by getting rid of NEOs and back to a single narrow body fleet

rickair7777 03-12-2026 07:43 PM


Originally Posted by Beech Dude (Post 4012216)
They just aren't involved in any direct action. You better believe they are aiding Iran and collecting everything they can on us like Gollum going after his precious

They appear to not be providing any materiel support.

Intel, yes, it's known and assumed that they provide that. Of course we don't just roll over and make it easy... our systems and doctrine isn't oriented just towards a third-tier capability like IR... it's specifically designed to counter near-peers.

ShyGuy 03-12-2026 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 4012153)
Re-opening this discussion, no partisan politics or discussion as to why the war started or whether it should have started.

It's here, lets just discuss that reality.

I find it amazing you get the last word in the other threads before you close them out. And now new rules of no partisan politics on why it started or whether it should have started. It’s here so let’s discuss that reality, I agree. But that conversation should have a portion which is why we got here to begin with. Because those are some ugly answers.

rickair7777 03-12-2026 07:53 PM


Originally Posted by Jetlikespeed (Post 4012218)
was hoping Alaska would be on that list but I guess merging 2 companies and fighting rising fuel cost are not a winning combo wonder if AS will “right size” the HA side by getting rid of NEOs and back to a single narrow body fleet

Most of the time they simply forget Alaska exists. They're probably talking about B6, NK, F9...

ShyGuy 03-12-2026 08:07 PM

$11 billion+ dollars to replace an 86 yr old guy (who would literally die in 24 months or so anyway) replaced by his 56 yr old son. 11 billion to replace Senior with Junior, who by all accounts is even more strict than his pops.

4 airplanes lost now, 3 ejects, and 1 tanker unknown status of crew. 3-6 people on that plane. NONE shot down by Iran.


I think too many people think this is getting settled just as soon as the “4 week” campaign wraps up. There’s just no way this ends that fast. Even if we stop the bombing, Israel will keep going. And Iran is not taking their ball and going home. Iran’s long game can easily be periodical disruptions to the SOH or rockets/drones to infrastructure for US friendlies. They can indefinitely keep prices of oil high with random, periodic attacks on oil infrastructure.


Bottom line, this is very bad for the airline industry.

rickair7777 03-12-2026 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 4012227)
$ Iran is not taking their ball and going home.

They aren't going to have many balls left. We're not going to let them retain stockpiles and production facilities. Right now all of their stuff is being attrited by us, or by being expended, whichever comes first. They can hide some, but not much.


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 4012227)
Iran’s long game can easily be periodical disruptions to the SOH or rockets/drones to infrastructure for US friendlies. They can indefinitely keep prices of oil high with random, periodic attacks on oil infrastructure.

No they cannot. This is their big temper tantrum, they shot their wad. The US, GCC states, and the rest of the world will not allow them to just randomly interdict the global economy whenever they feel like it, indefinitely.

While they have the capacity to create enough risk to spook maritime insurance brokers, that's not the same as having enough capacity to physically stop commerce. The rest of the world just has to decide they've had enough (or the Iranian people might).

Also while almost nobody in the US wants boots on ground, that is one way to secure the AG/SoH. I won't get into details but we don't need to seize the entire country.


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 4012227)
Bottom line, this is very bad for the airline industry.

It could be, we are very susceptible to economic fluctuations. It will depend on what the rest of the world does vis a vis oil, and how quickly this thing can be settled down.

rickair7777 03-12-2026 08:35 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 4012220)
I find it amazing you get the last word in the other threads before you close them out. And now new rules of no partisan politics on why it started or whether it should have started. It’s here so let’s discuss that reality, I agree. But that conversation should have a portion which is why we got here to begin with. Because those are some ugly answers.

I did not close the other thread. The only time I get the "last word" is if I'm explaining why a thread got closed.

Again, do not discuss how/why we got here, or whether it was a good idea, this is not the place for that and only leads down one road. If you're going to protest the war or complain about moderation, better to just stay out of this thread.

Gone Flying 03-12-2026 08:50 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 4012213)
Gulf I was BoG because Iraq had BoG in other countries.

Gulf II was revenge, we were collectively mighty pizzed off.

Gulf III has limited domestic support to begin with, and almost none for BoG. I hope and assume that congress would interject themselves if it got to that... they'd have more to fear from their own constituents than from Trump at that point.

Yeah. Gonna try to not dip into R/B politics too much other than to say if this is still going on in November I expect to see a major blue victory in any even slightly purple area. And for that reason I think you are right that congress will reign in POTUS if this escalates or drags on.



Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 4012213)
I kind of doubt it was a deal per se, but it might have been a reward for good behavior... both RU and PRC are sitting this one out, aside from the usual strongly worded diplomatic scoldings.

That seems like a good reason for RU to sit on their hands.

As far as PRC; I assume there is definitely an element of posturing for Taiwan here.

flensr 03-12-2026 08:52 PM

What nobody is saying - All these countries that Iran is actually hitting, what would the damage be if they were permitted to have nukes?


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