dude, are you also not tracking the conversation?
He explicitly stated that people that don’t agree with his position would cower like weaklings. Both myself and others mention military service to explicitly prove that as a false statement. I’m not sure why this is so hard to understand.

you know what the problem is? Is that you and vax keep saying “you guys” or “liberals”

grow up and realize that adults dont fall into partisan lines on every issue. Adults can have broad spectrum opinions that bracket both sides. If you knuckleheads stop arguing against the “left” and just talk about the point at hand youd get a much better interaction.

 

I can't like this enough.

 

Today, Oil prices are up after Trump shot down Iran’s latest offer. The SoH has been closed since late February with no signs of a resolution anytime soon. Also, it appears that the US military is unable to open the Strait without investing significantly more assets or landing troops on Iranian soil.

The US economy remains strong. Over the past week, the Iran story has managed to sink below headline level for several days. Meanwhile, in Iran, there are no signs of instability. Their economy is in shambles but Iran is used to this. They fought a long war with Iraq as well as withstanding decades of economic sanctions. Iran has a strong secret police force, an unarmed populace, and a core of true believers in the revolution. That government has staying power.

Are we in a stalemate?

What happens if the airlines continue to hemorrhage cash while the rest of the US economy keeps chugging along happily?

Which airline goes bankrupt next? JetBlue?

As an Alaska pilot, I see our JCBA getting delayed indefinitely, profit sharing going to zero, and the risk of furloughs starting in September. This war will cost me at least $50k in income over the next twelve months. How much will it cost you?

I would like to see us prevail in Iran, but by going to war without congressional approval, without the support of the majority of Americans, and without the support of our allies, Trump has given himself weak negotiating position.

 

We're in a tough spot, but Trump willingly went along with the Israelis opening strike. I imagine he felt it would be easier to control the conflict if we were a belligerent. I thoroughly believe he has lost interest in this fight, and is just looking for an escape route, but he has said "no nukes" so many times, even he fells he has to come away with that agreement. We're not going to invade, and our economy craters with long term elevated oil prices, I guess we'll just keep bombing "irrational" people until they suddenly become rational.

 

An interesting piece in the Atlantic Magazine online by Rober Kagan titled "Checkmate in Iran"
He takes it much further than what you wrote, but the overall gist of it is similar.

Some of his points are:
This Iranian adventure has caused great harm. Much of it permanent.
America is now economically poorer, militarily weaker, and diplomatically both discredited and more isolated.

A triple crown ( my phrase)

 

It’s wild to me watching us dismantle the post WWII international order which WE created solely for OUR benefit, with half the country cheering it on.

I have no idea what’s on the other side of it, but I highly doubt it’s better than us running the carefully crafted world which had us as the only super power since I’ve been alive.

It’s like we had some tantrum, took our ball and stormed home after dominating the playground basketball game for 80 years, much to the bewilderment of our teammates and opponents.

 

This 100 percent.

 

& even if rational experienced people are elected and appointed to cabinet positions the damage will take - years? decades? to undo. Or maybe it's already too late.

 

The Atlantic lol. Might as well have come from the Ayatollah himself.

 

Europe is free to step up. Ohh wait, they can't. Two decades of Left/Socialist policies have left them economically and politically crippled. They are become more irrelevant by the year.