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Old Yesterday | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
So you are saying that Iran hasn’t trained Hezbollah, Hamas, the Houthis and others for decades? And by after the JCPOA, I’m talking about 2015-18 while it was in effect. I know…crazy what happens when you release billions to a terrorist regime.
And 2018-present was different, how? It was after 2018 when Trump killed the Obama deal that Iran went unchecked.

Hamad, Houthis, Hezbollah. The three Hs. Just more podcast and right wing talking points. The typical American has no clue what they are. Reminds me of when Hegseth and Vance said that they need to frame this to the public differently, because no one knows who Houthis are or where Yemen is.

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Old Yesterday | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
So you are saying that Iran hasn’t trained Hezbollah, Hamas, the Houthis and others for decades? And by after the JCPOA, I’m talking about 2015-18 while it was in effect. I know…crazy what happens when you release billions to a terrorist regime.
Sounds like an Israeli problem, not a US problem. Or were. Now they are a US problem too. More terrorist enemies, super great!

I feel like I really didn't care about them and neither did 99.9% of Americans who just wanted to live their life here and buy cheap gas who never planned to travel to Palestine.
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Old Yesterday | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
And 2018-present was different, how? It was after 2018 when Trump killed the Obama deal that Iran went unchecked.

Hamad, Houthis, Hezbollah. The three Hs. Just more podcast and right wing talking points. The typical American has no clue what they are. Reminds me of when Hegseth and Vance said that they need to frame this to the public differently, because no one knows who Houthis are or where Yemen is.

2018-present would be that they have less money to do so (and getting less by the day).

Terrorist groups are talking points. That’s a new take.
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Old Yesterday | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Name User
Sounds like an Israeli problem, not a US problem. Or were. Now they are a US problem too. More terrorist enemies, super great!

I feel like I really didn't care about them and neither did 99.9% of Americans who just wanted to live their life here and buy cheap gas who never planned to travel to Palestine.
Kinda like the USA proking Japan with oil embargoes prior the WWII. I mean they wernt doing anything to us and Britain had been at war for 2 years before we brought Japan's warranted actions on Pearl Harbor. We should have just stayed out of that....nobody was bothering us.

You can only push a country so far(oil embargoes agsint Japan) before they will retaliate.


Kinda like that?
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Old Yesterday | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Sure. But we are talking US soldiers. A very limited amount have died in the ME, excluding the Iraq (and Syria) wars . So, what incident are we accusing Iran of murdering U.S. soldiers?
Brotha, I’ve been overhead as it was happening. It wasn’t just the Baathist’s & ISIS we were fighting in Iraq and Syria. Completely agree that we are sliding down the path of forever war once again, but we still have to call a spade a spade. I happen to think the current guy in the White House is about the worst case scenario for the US in times like these, but that doesn’t mean Iran gets let off the hook. I’m honestly conflicted by our current predicament. Part of me understands the argument that once we’re this deep, the only option is to finish things. Maybe, with better planning and execution, that could’ve been an option. The realist in me understands that the American public will tire of the “excursion” long before it bears the fruit it was intended to. Sh!tty situation all around.
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Old Yesterday | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Name User
Sounds like an Israeli problem, not a US problem. Or were. Now they are a US problem too. More terrorist enemies, super great!

I feel like I really didn't care about them and neither did 99.9% of Americans who just wanted to live their life here and buy cheap gas who never planned to travel to Palestine.
It’s been an ongoing conflict for the region and 1st world interests since UN resolution 181 divided Jerusalem in two along a religious fault line that’s erupted into war, 1948–49, 1956, 1967, 1973, 1982, 2006, and 2023–present. Best outcome is face to face mediation Iran/Israel. Not bloody likely anytime soon I’d say.
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Old Yesterday | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
They literally flew right into it. The IR government let them do it. No sympathy.
That is, quite simply, a gross misrepresentation of what actually happened. The US government officially attempted to blame it on Iran, but the facts of that occurrence point overwhelmingly point to huge mistakes on the part of the US cruiser that blew them up, similar to how Russians shot down an airliner a few years ago, the Soviets shot down KAL 007 and we shot down an F-18 just a few months ago. You really need to go back and read the story of what happened. Just like all those other governments screwed one up, we screwed this one up.
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Old Yesterday | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
Kinda like the USA proking Japan with oil embargoes prior the WWII. I mean they wernt doing anything to us and Britain had been at war for 2 years before we brought Japan's warranted actions on Pearl Harbor. We should have just stayed out of that....nobody was bothering us.

You can only push a country so far(oil embargoes agsint Japan) before they will retaliate.


Kinda like that?
I don't remember Iran attacking Pearl Harbor, do you have a link?
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Old Yesterday | 07:26 PM
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I don't remember Iran attacking Pearl Harbor, do you have a link?
In concept true actually. Magnum PI season 3. Higgins was brainwashed by a sultry Persian princess who tried to use Zeus & Apollo for a diversion to hijack some poorly protected boomer docked at pearl.
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Old Yesterday | 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by METO Guido
In concept true actually. Magnum PI season 3. Higgins was brainwashed by a sultry Persian princess who tried to use Zeus & Apollo for a diversion to hijack some poorly protected boomer docked at pearl.
I deem this your most cogent and comprehensible post of all time. Bravo sir.
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