Originally Posted by bababouey (Post 4033778)

people don’t balk at dying in wars, they just want that war be relevant to the United States. I didn’t sign up to die for Israel.

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes (Post 4033779)

And if we were actually invaded/threatened/attacked in the first place, this would make sense.

Originally Posted by bababouey (Post 4033778)

people don’t balk at dying in wars, they just want that war be relevant to the United States. I didn’t sign up to die for Israel.

Originally Posted by at6d (Post 4033822)

This is not about Iran. Or Israel. It’s about China and Russia. The US doesn’t get any oil from Iran. Zero. But China sure does.

Would you endorse combat ops USA vs China over Taiwan?

Iran and Russia are allies. Iran out of the picture helps Ukraine and increases pressure on Russia. Remember all the Ukraine flags everywhere? Isnt that a good thing?

Control of Venezuela and choking the strait directly puts a cog in China and Russias gearbox.

Taking out the entire Irani navy and most of its air defenses with limited civilian casualties followed by economic blockade is a positive in my book for now. France and UK are finally sending something. The rest of Europe will need to step up, which they will.

Originally Posted by at6d (Post 4033822)

This is not about Iran. Or Israel. It’s about China and Russia. The US doesn’t get any oil from Iran. Zero. But China sure does.

Would you endorse combat ops USA vs China over Taiwan?

Iran and Russia are allies. Iran out of the picture helps Ukraine and increases pressure on Russia. Remember all the Ukraine flags everywhere? Isnt that a good thing?

Control of Venezuela and choking the strait directly puts a cog in China and Russias gearbox.

Taking out the entire Irani navy and most of its air defenses with limited civilian casualties followed by economic blockade is a positive in my book for now. France and UK are finally sending something. The rest of Europe will need to step up, which they will.

Originally Posted by ThumbsUp (Post 4033830)

Taking down a nuclear armed terror state is definitely in the strategic interest of the US. Nothing to do with Israel.

Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 4033863)

But they are not a nuclear armed terror state. And the WH press release article last year said Iran’s nuclear facilities were obliterated and suggestions otherwise are fake news.


Not you, but some people here are still pointing to daily trades of oil on the market -paper price - as a true measure of economic impact. Reality is going to hit them this summer.

But us pilots on APC making multiple six figures are largely insulated from price fluctuations of gas and grocery. But long term impact of oil can certainly impact airline growth plans. Or a certain carrier declaring BKcy. Downgrades and even furloughs could easily come about from this.

Originally Posted by ThumbsUp (Post 4033876)

There is no peaceful purpose to enrich uranium beyond 20%.

Originally Posted by ThumbsUp (Post 4033876)

The IAEA had already detected them enriching beyond 80%. Any agreement with them is a waste of time.

Originally Posted by at6d (Post 4033822)

This is not about Iran. Or Israel. It’s about China and Russia. The US doesn’t get any oil from Iran. Zero. But China sure does.

Would you endorse combat ops USA vs China over Taiwan?

Iran and Russia are allies. Iran out of the picture helps Ukraine and increases pressure on Russia. Remember all the Ukraine flags everywhere? Isnt that a good thing?

Control of Venezuela and choking the strait directly puts a cog in China and Russias gearbox.

Taking out the entire Irani navy and most of its air defenses with limited civilian casualties followed by economic blockade is a positive in my book for now. France and UK are finally sending something. The rest of Europe will need to step up, which they will.

Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 4033651)

You have a country. You just got bombed by Israel and the United States. Are you really going to tell me you wouldn’t want nuke now? Or more like, you want them now more than ever? Or maybe we’ll try what we did in Ukraine. You don’t need nukes, don’t worry, we got your back if anyone tries anything against you. Yeah, because that’s turned out so well for them since 2022.



As for the second part, a US intelligence analysis concluded that Tehran could withstand a naval blockade for months.


Good luck getting Americans on board for months!


I still domt get it. Here you are, asking for Americans to give the govt some more “months” to carry this through (whatever THIS is).

Yet, we attacked because Israel was going to attack anyway and we had to save ourselves from the Iranian counter attack on our bases. Um, ok? That part is over. What part of blockading continuation have anything to do with Israel attacking anymore?

Yet, we attacked because we were under imminent threat. Um, ok? That part is over. Fordow, Natant, and whatever that 3rd place were obliterated. And more obliteration since Feb 28. It is clear and obvious we are not under any imminent threat anymore.



So. Your words, for Americans. “To see it through.”

To see just what, exactly, through?

Originally Posted by Hubcapped (Post 4033719)

how do you “finish it” without boots on the ground establishing a defensive coastal network ?

how many 18 year old American kids are you willing to sacrifice for this?

Originally Posted by vaksedtothemax (Post 4033995)

Lemme get this straight… you don’t want to press a position on a terrorist sponsoring Country because they may retaliate? Also a Country with nuclear ambitions.

Theres a reason I don’t go to bars with other pilots with your mentality. When sh!t hits the fan you’ll cower like a bunch of weaklings.

Originally Posted by Extenda (Post 4034009)

You gonna head over there? I bailed from the AF a couple years ago so I’m not. My buddies are, unfortunately. How many times did you deploy?

Originally Posted by Extenda (Post 4034009)

You gonna head over there? I bailed from the AF a couple years ago so I’m not. My buddies are, unfortunately. How many times did you deploy?

Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 4034019)

Thank you for your service.

Feel better now?

If you don't like the job....don't sign up.

(speaking as an F-16 vet whose grandfather was a WWI instructor pilot(Curtis Jenny), father who was a WW2 Marine grunt then West Point grad and Korea war vet(26 years), father-in- law ....Korea fighter pilot and 2 tours Vietnam as fighter pilot (36 years)..... brother(F-15) squadron commander....and sons who were pilots..all vets.

Somehow you think your service affords you special dispensation.....might I suggest it doesn't?

You need to get over yourself.

Originally Posted by vaksedtothemax (Post 4033995)

Lemme get this straight… you don’t want to press a position on a terrorist sponsoring Country because they may retaliate? Also a Country with nuclear ambitions.

Theres a reason I don’t go to bars with other pilots with your mentality. When sh!t hits the fan you’ll cower like a bunch of weaklings.

Originally Posted by Hubcapped (Post 4034025)

i served pointy end of the spear from 03-14. When did you serve?

Originally Posted by vaksedtothemax (Post 4034018)

I wasn’t destined for military service as I was the first member of my family in history to go to college. My fathers dying wish ( WWII/Korean veteran) was for me to go to college out of HS. It was also pre 9/11. By the time 9/11 came I was already a pilot too old to try flying for the military . I did attempt to join the NYFD post 9/11 but their requirements to have paramedic qualifications was a hurdle.

Is that you’re only retort?

Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 4034019)

Thank you for your service.

Feel better now?

If you don't like the job....don't sign up.

(speaking as an F-16 vet whose grandfather was a WWI instructor pilot(Curtis Jenny), father who was a WW2 Marine grunt then West Point grad and Korean war vet(26 years), father-in- law ....Korea fighter pilot and 2 tours Vietnam as fighter pilot (36 years)..... brother(F-15) squadron commander....and sons who were pilots..all vets. All were/are proud of their servive but none groveled or pandered for accolades as you continue to do.

Somehow you think your service affords you special dispensation, insight, accolades or folks on APC to kowtow to you "service" and superiority? GMAFB....might I suggest it doesn't?

You need to get over yourself.

Originally Posted by vaksedtothemax (Post 4034005)

amazing isn’t it… these people actually are on the verge of supporting Iran, Islam and whatever else is against Trump. If there was a terrorist attack in the name of Iran they’d most likely be apathetic to it.

Add that to supporting “tax the rich”, socialism, higher taxes on their income, more homelessness, more drugs, more illegal immigrants adding to their cost of living.

The saving grace is they most likely live in places that have gone to sh!t compared to normal
parts of the Country. Their cost of living is higher, schools are worse, crime is hig

her, homelessness is worse, and their tax dollars are generally wasted on NGO’s donating back to the political party that has super majority control.

I think it ‘s called Stockholm Syndrome? Watch Karen Bass get re-elected to see the Stockholm in action.

Originally Posted by Hubcapped (Post 4034031)

no buck, track the conversation. The crazy loony guy that just posted 69 times in a row spitting partisan vitriol just said that people that dont agree with his position will “cower like weaklings”. Many if these people (myself included) risked our lives in the military already. Can you not see how ridiculous it is to hear something like this from some civilian that never had the courage to serve?

come on man, be better

Originally Posted by Hubcapped (Post 4034025)

i served pointy end of the spear from 03-14. When did you serve?

Originally Posted by Hubcapped (Post 4034031)

no buck, track the conversation. The crazy loony guy that just posted 69 times in a row spitting partisan vitriol just said that people that dont agree with his position will “cower like weaklings”. Many if these people (myself included) risked our lives in the military already. Can you not see how ridiculous it is to hear something like this from some civilian that never had the courage to serve?

come on man, be better

Originally Posted by vaksedtothemax (Post 4034023)

Thank you for you and your families service…
my father lied about his age and signed up underage for WWII, his best friend in the military ended up being his brother in law. ( my mother’s brother) I seems that was a pretty common type story from the greatest generation.

Originally Posted by Extenda (Post 4034029)

I We stand on the shoulders of giants.

Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 4034040)

Maybe....I don't read all the posts.

But I must say....you trying to call someone out for not serving is tantamount to bragging about serving and expecting special recognition.


BTW....isn't most of this thread partisan vitriol???

Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 4034040)

Maybe....I don't read all the posts.

But I must say....you trying to call someone out for not serving is tantamount to bragging about serving and expecting special recognition.


BTW....isn't most of this thread partisan vitriol???

Originally Posted by Hubcapped (Post 4034045)

be better

Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 4034052)

No, you be better

"Why I oughta shut you up"

"Yea?... I'll meet you out in the schoolyard later"

"We'll see about that...By God I was on the pointy end of the spear"

I give you all you are due....The same thing the Home Depot/Lowes cashier says to me whilst I get my 10% discount for being a vet...."Thank you for your service"

I hope it swells your breast....I know it doesn't mine

Originally Posted by Extenda (Post 4034049)

I think whether or not someone served gives one a little leeway on an internet message board when challenging an opinion of “just send in the military to ____ and get them to do the thing”. That thing is our brothers and sisters away from their home in harms way. I get it, we all signed up for it. But only a tiny percentage of the country shares in the burden.

Originally Posted by Hubcapped (Post 4034031)

no buck, track the conversation. The crazy loony guy that just posted 69 times in a row spitting partisan vitriol just said that people that dont agree with his position will “cower like weaklings”. Many of these people (myself included) risked our lives in the military already. Can you not see how ridiculous it is to hear something like this from some civilian that never had the courage to serve?

come on man, be better

Originally Posted by Extenda (Post 4034034)

yeah I think vaxedtothemsx got banned or something and he made this new account with similar spelling. It doesn’t ruffle my feathers at all but I’m just kind of bewildered by the gish gallop that goes unmoderated.

Originally Posted by Hubcapped (Post 4034045)

What lol?!?! Did i randomly come on here and state that people that didnt serve will cower in the corner like weaklings? Im responding to HIS RIDICULOUS behavior. Are you even tracking whats going on?

be better

Originally Posted by Hubcapped (Post 4034055)

You mad bro? Salty enough to come to some other person’s defense for a categorically ridiculous statement made to a bunch of veterans? How much did vax pay you? Or is that your alt account?

weird

Originally Posted by vaksedtothemax (Post 4034062)

fact checked….

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes (Post 4034069)

Originally Posted by vaksedtothemax (Post 4034064)

well, it had nothing to do with military service. You made it about military service.

Originally Posted by vaksedtothemax (Post 4033995)

Lemme get this straight… you don’t want to press a position on a terrorist sponsoring Country because they may retaliate? Also a Country with nuclear ambitions.

Theres a reason I don’t go to bars with other pilots with your mentality. When sh!t hits the fan you’ll cower like a bunch of weaklings.