It stopped being funny about 7 years ago.

Or maybe you're not reading into it at all.

Here's part of the deal about Trump wrt to Hormuz: the possibility is very real/likely that he's actually trying to keep it closed as long as possible. Every war game run by pentagon nerds last several decades has come to the conclusion that IRGC would close it and would be able to keep it closed indefinitely with minimal resources. So why would you want to attack Iran directly unless keeping the straight closed benefitted you.... that's why he blockaded as soon as they set up their toll booth.

Maybe it's tiring to you because it doesn't make sense to you and you can't see the play or even imagine that there is one.

I do not agree with the actions, nor do I agree with the rhetoric/antics, but there's clearly leverage being applied here, and keeping it closed is part of it while hinting at a looming peace deal everytime the treasury yield hits 4.4%.

Also, he's very clearly treating the NATO allies like children, just like he is with California, and letting them stick their climate change fear fork into the outlet so they can feel the shock of the stupid things they do.

Who said we should murder a few million? The area along Hormuz is sparsely populated, and by now mostly by combatants. Announce your intention, give everybody 48 hours to get inland and take out the remaining weapon sites with airbursts. Repeat as necessary until Iran recognizes the internationally recognized right of passage.

It's funny that you think after dropping a bunch of bombs on a country that they should act rationally and lawfully.

Maybe that is the whole plan. He told us last year that he destroyed their nukes, and apparently our intel said they were far away from one, but suddenly they were “2 weeks away” again.

Israel has entered the chat.

You don’t think Japan and Germany act rationally and lawfully?

Presidents rarely do pull the strings, tbh. Not in my lifetime at least.

I think whether or not he is an idiotic petulant child or not is rather irrelevant, because if he is, those attributes are therefore useful and valuable to his economic situation, and if he's not, then he's not, AND he's got significant percentage of the world duped.

Modern day Germany certainly does not act rationally. They are literally trying to commit economic and sovereign suicide.

The US would run out of munitions long before the straight can ever be opened by such strategy. It's too asymmetric.

my other question then is if they are capping their wells and they will be damaged without repair then is not the market already priced in for this scenario? Meaning 20% of production is gone for years, therefore, it doesn't really matter if the straight is open or not?

I don’t have math getting to 10m on pipelines.

The conversation was about the last ME oil being delivered by now, and oil not trading high enough to reflect the flow being pinched off. All the flow isn’t being pinched off, and I don’t think the straight moves 20m barrels a day at $100+ oil.

Is this a serious comment?

Why can’t we just keep paying 4-$5 a gallon for gas and choke their exports.

I’ve never met anyone too poor in America to stop buying beer and cigarettes.

What’s in it for them? They would only ensure their entire annihilation. These ayatollahs care about staying in power as #1. Same with the Saudi royal family for that matter. Being in power and ruling is #1. Islam for them barely makes the top 3. Which is why the Saudi prince have their underground vices for women , alcohol, and drugs.



And 15 / 19 hijackers were Saudis. Rest Jordan, Egypt, UAE. Weird. The top 4 US “allies” in the ME. Zero from Iran or Iraq.

well eventually Japan did but it took a second hit.

I have been living in America since before this started and that was never communicated.

They said the legality for the bombing campaign was Israel was going to attack and Iran response was going to be to kill people Kuwait which they did.

Trump bombed Iran to limit ability of Iran to harm more America’s than they did in response to planned Israel strikes, that Trump was not legally compelled to prevent Israel from doing.

If Israel wants to be aggressive, what do Americans prefer, a closed straight and fewer loss of American lives, or an open straight and higher death toll of American lives.

20% of production being off the market includes Saudi, Kuwait, Qatar, and UAE, all of which must export the bulk of their oil through the strait. Those countries are not capping their wells and are most certainly looking forward to the day the strait opens.

Whats weird we were monitoring the movements of our enemy’s and not allies?

Do you think there is a world where 15/19 would be from Iran or Iraq and we wouldn’t have stopped it?

Do you think the ATF, FBI, CIA, DHS would allow 15 Russians to get away with a 9/11 over allowing 15 Canadians?

Which countries in the gulf aren't doing shut-ins?

Maybe you weren’t paying attention. Straight from the White House press release, “Iran’s Nuclear Facilities Have Been Obliterated - and Suggestions Otherwise are Fake News”


Source: https://www.whitehouse.gov/releases/...are-fake-news/


There’s an easy answer there too. You draw the line in the sand with Israel, and tell them they cannot start a war with Iran after the June bombing. That if they try, the U.S. pulls all relations with Israel, no more weapons, guns, ammo, supplies, complete pull out of support. And acting on it. Only then would Israel think twice.

Wont ever happen because AIPAC has a strong hold on our politicians, on all sides. Too much AIPAC money. So you’ll never see any motions or actions against Israel.


But that was the answer to your question. There literally should be no such thing as Israel dragging us into a war.

If 9/11 was carried out by Russians or Chinese, we would not have started a war with Russia or with China. Because, you know, they have nukes that can reach us. Hard to clown a country that can slap you back in the same manner.

False equivalency. 9/11 wasn’t by Saudi Arabia or any other nation-state.

​​​​​​That sounds like a reason not to let Iran have nukes. If Iran has no intentions of having any nukes, have no capability of producing nukes ..... why would it be a sticking point for them to allow inspections, no enrichment to HEU and unfettered access for inspectors?

Maybe because they want Nukes?

This far in to the conflict.... gird your loins and support finishing the job with the SOH blockade. Can Americans stomach 6 months of $4.5 gas prices(call it an xtra 2% to inflation) or, can Iran last longer with 70%+ inflation and permanent damage to their production due to capping of the wells? The conclusion to this dilemma portends future geopolitical consequences. Folks can hate Orange Man.... but at this juncture, it would be best for Americans to all row together to see it thru. The dems can have their impeachment process after the midterms.

Seems like the liberal posters are looking backwards attempting to place blame. Why not look forward to finish it, then have your inquests.

So, where do we go from here? Walk away, incite violence, perpetuate divisiveness? Plenty of time for that later. Lack of support now only lengthens the time to a conclusion.....well ,unless you just want to walk away(which is what Dem leadership wants just so they have a cudgel for election purposes).

You talk like we can literally do anything and it’s just a matter of some nebulous sense of societal will to do it. Iran is a mountainous country of 90 million people on the other side of the world. As if we always have some trillion dollar military “easy button” that we can smash as long as we’re all on board with it and everything will work out great.

‘Cause there isn’t a clear path to “finishing it”. The best definition of anything resembling an endgame we’ve gotten is an ornery blond press secretary snapping back at the press something to the effect of “it’ll be over when the president, in his infinite wisdom, decides it’s so”. You may feel differently, but I don’t find that approach exactly confidence inspiring. At this point, “finishing it” could mean anything from cutting a deal tomorrow that keeps the hardliners in power to another forever war that lasts decades and doesn’t accomplish much, if anything more. We’ve been told wars have been won or will be finished soon in the very recent past, only to have them drag on for years on end. How many months or years are you willing to let this one run before you have the epiphany that the juice wasn’t worth the squeeze after all?

Mortal enemies. Been that way since Moses. Israel is too small to survive a strike. There will be no next holocaust. Trust me on that.

You have a country. You just got bombed by Israel and the United States. Are you really going to tell me you wouldn’t want nuke now? Or more like, you want them now more than ever? Or maybe we’ll try what we did in Ukraine. You don’t need nukes, don’t worry, we got your back if anyone tries anything against you. Yeah, because that’s turned out so well for them since 2022.



As for the second part, a US intelligence analysis concluded that Tehran could withstand a naval blockade for months.


Good luck getting Americans on board for months!


I still domt get it. Here you are, asking for Americans to give the govt some more “months” to carry this through (whatever THIS is).

Yet, we attacked because Israel was going to attack anyway and we had to save ourselves from the Iranian counter attack on our bases. Um, ok? That part is over. What part of blockading continuation have anything to do with Israel attacking anymore?

Yet, we attacked because we were under imminent threat. Um, ok? That part is over. Fordow, Natant, and whatever that 3rd place were obliterated. And more obliteration since Feb 28. It is clear and obvious we are not under any imminent threat anymore.



So. Your words, for Americans. “To see it through.”

To see just what, exactly, through?

To answer your question, yes you walk away. And tell Israel no further attacks. We have set Iran back 10-20+ yrs from weaponization of nukes. Consider this whole excercise as buying 10-20+ yrs of a guarantee.

Hang the mission accomplished banner and move on.

Heck, the bigger nuke in this country is social security will be broke far before 20 yrs and yet Americans and politicians have zero desire to fix that ticking time bomb. Somehow we got so concerned on Iran in 2025 and 2026, that it was literally a non-mentioned issue in 2024. Weird how that worked out.




So economic impact…. What do you think MONTHS of a blockade is going to do for oil and the airlines in this country? (Let alone poorer 2nd and 3rd world countries).

Touch grass

That might be your best post ever. You should take your own advice and consider a username change. I am sure AA would be appreciative. ;)

Only 12 steps to go.

The US announced the United States' withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal, formally known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), on May 8, 2018. In its original format, the JCPOA provided a buffer with a 15-Year Sunset, along with a host of monitors on site, would have been in effect until January 16, 2031. Not the best agreement made… but at least monitors in place along with constraints on uranium enrichment and centrifuge production.

Although academic, at this point, on October 18, 2025, in the aftermath of the 12 Day war, with Israel, Iran officially announced the termination of the agreement after 10 years. Who knows… termination of the JCPOA may have been thwarted under different circumstances, if there were qualified knowledgeable adult experts on foreign policy matters at the table.

how do you “finish it” without boots on the ground establishing a defensive coastal network ?

how many 18 year old American kids are you willing to sacrifice for this?

At least 13

That is the nature of military service. If the standard is that no one will die in wars, we might as well have let the Germans invade Pearl Harbor. And you are focusing on keeping the SoH open. We need to finish the campaign that we started. Take the shackles of Israel and use some of the stockpile of Mk-82s we have.

Same keyboard bravado that insisted Saddam was responsible for 9/11. ‘Merica! Btw, poor Bibi. It sucks he’s been so constrained the last 3 years….

Should I pull the video of Trump saying he’d “ bomb the sh!t out of Iran” in 2024? Or th prior 20+ yrs of talking about Iran and nuclear.

it’s kind of like the “Trump is racist” bit after he hung out with Oprah, Jesse Jackson, Whoopi and all the rest who claim he’s racist now. You all forget he’s been the same guy since the 80’s.

The social security issue has been around since I was atleast a teenager, probably much earlier. Same speech, no change, no solution. Hence one of the reasons us conservatives don’t like wasting money on illegals, Somali fraud and useless homeless spending that produces worse results.

Back to Iran Economic Impact

My little app says WTI below $95, markets at all time highs (again), local gas station down $0.10 today and the mall is absolutely packed. Haven’t seen any furlough letters or noticed a/c cancellations yet.

Where do you have WTI today?

Hmmm... that's a new one. I don't think anyone said that. The 9/11 commission said that while Saddam and his government supported other terror networks, that there was not much evidence that they supported Al Qaeda, particularly in the 9/11 attacks.

people don’t balk at dying in wars, they just want that war be relevant to the United States. I didn’t sign up to die for Israel.

And if we were actually invaded/threatened/attacked in the first place, this would make sense.

You mean we still haven't eclipsed Biden's withdrawal Afghanistan? How many of those 13 from the current conflict were from enemy hostile acts?