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rickair7777 04-06-2026 09:01 PM


Originally Posted by AntiCompanyMan (Post 4020525)
What does this even mean?

Because Israel has only killed 70,000 civilians instead of killing all 2 million residents of Gaza, they should be commended?

Collateral damage.

If the gaza residents didn't elect literal terrorists to run their government, and if the terrorists didn't hide under schools, mosques, hospitals, etc maybe there would be less collateral damage.

rickair7777 04-06-2026 09:24 PM


Originally Posted by AntiCompanyMan (Post 4020514)
Just because the US has not ratified the treaty for the ICC does not mean the ICC itself is a kangaroo court.

True: US has not ratified ICC treaty.

False: ICC would agree that it has no jurisdiction over US citizens. There are a couple mechanisms under it's rules where it might claim jurisdiction. To date, political realities have discouraged them from trying, but that would change with a compliant administration in the US.


Originally Posted by AntiCompanyMan (Post 4020514)
Courts in the UK have no jurisdiction over me as a US citizen. That does not make the UK courts necessarily a kangaroo court.

They don't try to claim said jurisdiction either.


Originally Posted by AntiCompanyMan (Post 4020514)
A kangaroo court operates arbitrarily without regard to due process or the law. The ICC is a flawed institution, but dismissing it as merely a political "kangaroo court" is disingenuous and untrue.

It's more than sufficiently flawed in my observation to qualify for the marsupial family. That's not to say that *everything* they do is bad, doubtless they've prosecuted the odd warlord or arms dealer who really had it coming.




Originally Posted by AntiCompanyMan (Post 4020514)
little bit rich considering the US bombed hundreds of little girls in an egregious and easily avoidable intelligence failure.

Don't care, collateral damage.

There's no way you have any idea whether there was an "easily avoidable" failure (of if you do, you're violating all kinds of laws by posting it on the internet).

But there will be an investigation... if there was an egregious, negligent omission (beyond fog of war) there will be consequences.



Originally Posted by AntiCompanyMan (Post 4020514)
maybe ask the people of Gaza how much Israel values human life

More than the gazans value jewish life, that's readily apparent.

WarmSandDreams 04-06-2026 11:43 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 4020529)
Collateral damage.

If the gaza residents didn't elect literal terrorists to run their government, and if the terrorists didn't hide under schools, mosques, hospitals, etc maybe there would be less collateral damage.

When was the last election, and what percentage of the population of Gaza was of voting age when that election took place?

Even if they did elect Hamas today, how can you hold it against them? Violence is a pretty natural response to apartheid states. Ideally both sides could deescalate the conflict, but both parties obtain their power by ensuring the fighting continues. The citizens on both sides are the losers.

jerryleber 04-07-2026 12:29 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 4020529)
If the gaza residents didn't elect literal terrorists to run their government

https://www.972mag.com/netanyahu-ham...October%202023.

"Qatar actually started transferring money to Hamas in 2012, though this was via bank wires and it was very small amounts. This changed fundamentally in 2018, when Netanyahu persuaded his cabinet to approve bigger transfers and change the mechanism of transfer to cash. After that, a car carrying suitcases full of almost $30 million in cash would pass through Rafah Crossing every month from the summer of 2018 until October 2023."

Freds Ex 04-07-2026 12:51 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 4020529)
Collateral damage.

If the gaza residents didn't elect literal terrorists to run their government, and if the terrorists didn't hide under schools, mosques, hospitals, etc maybe there would be less collateral damage.

I'm sorry but it's 2026 and now the whole world knows that Hamas is literally funded and run by IL. Hamas = controlled opposition to keep the fight going in order to justify the continued war crimes against the Palestinian people and the destruction of their homes/lives. The evidence is already out there. Millions of dollars sent from Bibi via Qatar to prop up Hamas. [mod edit]

CBreezy 04-07-2026 04:31 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 4020529)
Collateral damage.

If the gaza residents didn't elect literal terrorists to run their government, and if the terrorists didn't hide under schools, mosques, hospitals, etc maybe there would be less collateral damage.

The last legitimate election, Hamas, before becoming just literal terrorists, barely won. But immediately after they did, they jailed all opposition then dismantled their elections. It's intellectually dishonest to claim that Palestinians are out here just voting unanimously for Hamas

AAdvocate 04-07-2026 04:37 AM


Originally Posted by WarmSandDreams (Post 4020542)
When was the last election, and what percentage of the population of Gaza was of voting age when that election took place?

Even if they did elect Hamas today, how can you hold it against them? Violence is a pretty natural response to apartheid states. Ideally both sides could deescalate the conflict, but both parties obtain their power by ensuring the fighting continues. The citizens on both sides are the losers.

Why were they all in the streets cheering as young female hostages were being dragged, beaten and killed right in front of them?

AAdvocate 04-07-2026 04:40 AM


Originally Posted by PNWFlyer (Post 4020519)
if Israel didn’t value human life in Gaza there would not be anyone to ask.

Interesting take. If genocide is the goal Israel is sure doing a horrible job of it.

Population of the State of Palestine:
2026 (Projected): ~5.87 million (PCBS estimate)
2025 (Projected): 5.59 million
2024: 5.49 million
2023: 5.40 million
2022: 5.30 million
2021: 4.92 million

First genocide in history where the population actually grows

Extenda 04-07-2026 04:43 AM

Back on topic, assuming Iran is “bombed back into the Stone Age”, GCC energy/desalination infrastructure damaged in retaliation, and strait remains closed, what are short/long term predictions for oil/jet fuel/economy?

jerryleber 04-07-2026 05:26 AM


Originally Posted by AAdvocate (Post 4020585)
I find it interesting that you use a lie as justification...

Nice projection. Nobody is defending the horrendous Jihadist regime in Iran or denying that they murdered their citizens. A spark and fire are two different things. We are discussing what is actually happening and how best to handle it. One would think we might want to learn some lessons from Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan where blind following didn't work out so well. What is that definition of insanity again?


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