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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
(Post 4019928)
Except those fundamentalist views generally don’t involve strapping c-4 to your chest in crowded areas.
Our fundamentalists just use a Ryder rental truck filled with ammonium nitrate or walk around the Michigan Capitol with locked and loaded AR15’s over a blue mask. Some are still preparing for civil war over it. |
Originally Posted by Moonbeam
(Post 4019936)
Our fundamentalists just use a Ryder rental truck filled with ammonium nitrate or walk around the Michigan Capitol with locked and loaded AR15’s over a blue mask. Some are still preparing for civil war over it.
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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
(Post 4019942)
That’s not Christian fundamentalism. You can whataboutism all you’d like, it doesn’t change the fact that globally most terrorists are Islamic extremists by a wide margin. And all of those are fundamentalists.
But that doesn't change the reality on the ground in regards to this war. Clearly the White House believed that a few weeks of intense bombing would drive the Iranian regime to collapse. Equally clear is the undeniable fact that Iran 1) currently controls the SoH, and 2) still possesses the capability to do serious damage to the energy infrastructure of the Middle East. The regime cares about one thing only: its survival. This is a regime that sacrificed countless child soldiers in a decade-long war with Iraq. A regime that happily murdered tens of thousands of protesters just a few months ago. They have nothing to lose. They have no reason to back down. We could indeed destroy their power grid and desalinization plants, and they'd still hunker down, while escalating their own attacks on the Gulf energy infrastructure. Never in human history has an aerial war alone resulted in the destruction of a regime. The only ways to actually destroy the current Iranian government would be a full scale ground invasion (and a quagmire that would make Iraq look pleasant), or we launch a nuclear first strike, with the very real possibility of igniting World War 3. Every American president since 1979 has understood this. Except, it would appear, for the current one. |
Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
(Post 4019929)
let israel and iran fight that holy war.
They have actually offered/threatened to deal with IR in the past. The US prefers that, as hot it as it is over there, that the temperature remains below Five Million Celsius. I don't know what trumps motive to do this was, and my guesses would not be charitable, but it is at least possible that IL felt existentially froggy and was threatening to take matters into their own hands. If that turns out to be the case, then trump did the right thing. Better some prime-time CSAR drama and an oil price spike, than nukes popping off. The nuclear genie isn't sealed in his bottle, but he's kind of hiding in the neck. Once he gets out again, we'll probably be in a new era for geopolitics and security. There many different ways that could go down, but I suspect most of them are bad (compared to the current status quo). |
Originally Posted by Turbosina
(Post 4019948)
Sure. I'll generally agree with you on that.
But that doesn't change the reality on the ground in regards to this war. Clearly the White House believed that a few weeks of intense bombing would drive the Iranian regime to collapse. Equally clear is the undeniable fact that Iran 1) currently controls the SoH, and 2) still possesses the capability to do serious damage to the energy infrastructure of the Middle East. The regime cares about one thing only: its survival. This is a regime that sacrificed countless child soldiers in a decade-long war with Iraq. A regime that happily murdered tens of thousands of protesters just a few months ago. They have nothing to lose. They have no reason to back down. We could indeed destroy their power grid and desalinization plants, and they'd still hunker down, while escalating their own attacks on the Gulf energy infrastructure. Never in human history has an aerial war alone resulted in the destruction of a regime. The only ways to actually destroy the current Iranian government would be a full scale ground invasion (and a quagmire that would make Iraq look pleasant), or we launch a nuclear first strike, with the very real possibility of igniting World War 3. Every American president since 1979 has understood this. Except, it would appear, for the current one. But I also think that it is naive to think that this wasn’t going to happen eventually. About all you can do is make them Gaza every few decades to slow their progress. The regime has too iron of a grip on their country for a popular uprising and the mullahs would never give up their nuclear ambitions. |
Originally Posted by METO Guido
(Post 4019910)
Israeli pop is 9.5m. By comparison, Cuba is 10, the Tar Heel state 11. After Iran, dealing with the West Bank and what’s left of Lebanon poses the more immediate concern if their recent moves foretell coming attractions. Hitler occupied Odessa. Plowing ahead to the Volga in winter ultimately cost them everything. IDF leadership isn’t crazy.
Originally Posted by RippinClapBombs
(Post 4019952)
The amount of gaslighting in a single post. You clearly have it all figured out lmao. Keep us updated after your next intel meeting at the Pentagon—absolutely insane.
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 4019968)
Little problem there.
They have actually offered/threatened to deal with IR in the past. The US prefers that, as hot it as it is over there, that the temperature remains below Five Million Celsius. I don't know what trumps motive to do this was, and my guesses would not be charitable, but it is at least possible that IL felt existentially froggy and was threatening to take matters into their own hands. If that turns out to be the case, then trump did the right thing. Better some prime-time CSAR drama and an oil price spike, than nukes popping off. The nuclear genie isn't sealed in his bottle, but he's kind of hiding in the neck. Once he gets out again, we'll probably be in a new era for geopolitics and security. There many different ways that could go down, but I suspect most of them are bad (compared to the current status quo).
Originally Posted by AAdvocate
(Post 4020039)
But yet they were the highest in recent history under Biden and the so called "Inflation Reduction act" did nothing to to decrease or slow it. As a matter of fact Biden did not do a thing to try to battle inflation except to lie to our faces and call it "Transitory". But yet the current administration was able to bring it under control rather quickly. But I am sure you will say they had nothing to do with it, would have happened any way, blah blah blah
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Originally Posted by SampsonSimpson
(Post 4020076)
Whats that have to do with getting played? |
Originally Posted by Freds Ex
(Post 4020059)
Besides the protestor deaths that were likely caused by Mossad/CIA, what gaslighting is there? |
Brother, he took the time to write out a thoughtful and eloquent analysis with lots of good examples and you called it a wall of text and then him a name. Now straw man stuff. There will be disagreements, but we can debate better than that.
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Originally Posted by Freds Ex
(Post 4020059)
You basically just admitted that the US is getting blackmailed into fighting this war against Iran. Seems like the right thing to do would be to disarm the country that is doing the blackmailing.
It's not "blackmail" (unless they have really compromising pics of somebody). It would simply be IL stating that they have reached the point where they need to do XYZ. While offering an alternative to XYZ, if the US helps out. That's communication and negotiation, not blackmail. |
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