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Lowslung 04-05-2026 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 4019863)
Nope. This was our last big favor to Europe before telling them, defend yourselves guys and gals. You are on your own now after 108 years of us bailing you out.

Big favor to Europe: Blowing up the Middle East/global oil markets & then telling them they have to clean it up. Right. I’m sure they’ll be thanking us profusely any day now.

ReadOnly7 04-05-2026 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by Lowslung (Post 4019914)
Big favor to Europe: Blowing up the Middle East/global oil markets & then telling them they have to clean it up. Right. I’m sure they’ll be thanking us profusely any day now.

plot twist…Europe IS the Middle East now.

ThumbsUp 04-05-2026 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by ReadOnly7 (Post 4019915)
plot twist…Europe IS the Middle East now.

Sad, but true. Half of what is a significant and growing population of Muslims in Europe hold fundamentalist views.

Lowslung 04-05-2026 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 4019794)
We already won.

The trick now is to not also lose in the process. Not exactly sure what the path to that looks like.



Yes, great news.

You’d think we would’ve figured this out after Korea, Vietnam, and GWOT/Afghanistan. You can clean sweep the battlefield & still lose the war. These kinds of operations always, always, always take on a life of their own & result in all kinds of unintended consequences. Mil leadership after Vietnam said never again will we get involved in combat overseas with vaguely defined, impossible to achieve objectives. We all nodded in agreement and then promptly ram dumped that very sage advice.

We’re now uncomfortably positioned between a rock and a very hard place. If we walk away, Iran will control the straight, take in billions in tolls and oil revenue, and undoubtedly restart its nuclear program and rebuild and improve their stocks of drones and missiles. They will have learned valuable lessons in how to hide and protect their people and equipment & ferreting them out will be twice as hard the next time around. Bad option.

If we stay & finish the job, it will undoubtedly take more blood, treasure, and time than the already war weary American people are willing to bear. Securing Iran’s nuclear material will be no small operation, nor will finishing off the Iranian regime. Maintaining a presence capable of of striking anytime the enrichment program starts back up or Iranian drones and missiles menace the straight or their neighbors will be a multi decade expedition. All bad options.

Seems there is a reason previous administrations were loathe to undertake similar actions against Iran & instead found themselves seeking admittedly imperfect solutions that involved more statecraft than bombs.

dmeg13021 04-05-2026 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by ThumbsUp (Post 4019917)
Sad, but true. Half of what is a significant and growing population of Muslims in Europe hold fundamentalist views.

Half of this country hold fundamentalist views, which is what got us tossed out of Europe in the first place

Turbosina 04-05-2026 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by Lowslung (Post 4019921)
You’d think we would’ve figured this out after Korea, Vietnam, and GWOT/Afghanistan. You can clean sweep the battlefield & still lose the war. These kinds of operations always, always, always take on a life of their own & result in all kinds of unintended consequences. Mil leadership after Vietnam said never again will we get involved in combat overseas with vaguely defined, impossible to achieve objectives. We all nodded in agreement and then promptly ram dumped that very sage advice.

We’re now uncomfortably positioned between a rock and a very hard place. If we walk away, Iran will control the straight, take in billions in tolls and oil revenue, and undoubtedly restart its nuclear program and rebuild and improve their stocks of drones and missiles. They will have learned valuable lessons in how to hide and protect their people and equipment & ferreting them out will be twice as hard the next time around. Bad option.

If we stay & finish the job, it will undoubtedly take more blood, treasure, and time than the already war weary American people are willing to bear. Securing Iran’s nuclear material will be no small operation, nor will finishing off the Iranian regime. Maintaining a presence capable of of striking anytime the enrichment program starts back up or Iranian drones and missiles menace the straight or their neighbors will be a multi decade expedition. All bad options.

Seems there is a reason previous administrations were loathe to undertake similar actions against Iran & instead found themselves seeking admittedly imperfect solutions that involved more statecraft than bombs.

Excellent synopsis. 100 % agree.

JamesNoBrakes 04-05-2026 11:26 AM


Originally Posted by jerryleber (Post 4019852)
Says who other than Benjamin Netanyahu for the past thirty years?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Vc_NanZ-Jos

Was 'obliterating' this capability the objective of this war?

no, that was two weeks away. Now we are safe at 3 weeks

Moonbeam 04-05-2026 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by ThumbsUp (Post 4019917)
Sad, but true. Half of what is a significant and growing population of Muslims in Europe hold fundamentalist views.


Don’t forget to replace Muslims with Christians and Europe with America. Should be a fun decade, but at least we have funny memes and AI slop to keep us laughing. If your feeling overwhelmed you can also send more money to the Paula White Ministry.

ThumbsUp 04-05-2026 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by dmeg13021 (Post 4019922)
Half of this country hold fundamentalist views, which is what got us tossed out of Europe in the first place

Except those fundamentalist views generally don’t involve strapping c-4 to your chest in crowded areas.

JamesNoBrakes 04-05-2026 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by METO Guido (Post 4019864)
Iran possesses motive & means. Let’s say survival of Israel is in your hands. Is rev guard superpower an eventuality you’d be prepared to accept? At least the Tel Aviv tiger is crystal clear in purpose. They’ve reached a functional accord with Egypt & the house of Saud. That should count for something.

let israel and iran fight that holy war.


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