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ShyGuy 04-10-2026 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 4021783)
If this were any other president, Democrat or Republican, the narrative would be far different.

You're correct. Because no other President would have been stupid enough to do this.

ReadOnly7 04-10-2026 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 4021809)
You're correct. Because no other President would have been stupid enough to do this.

such a brave and original take on things. Many previous Presidents have done numerous “stupid” things along these lines. Unless you have ALL the BTS info, you’re just spewing your partisan BS. (I don’t like the situation, either)

METO Guido 04-10-2026 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by SampsonSimpson (Post 4021806)
It’s a terrible idea until it actually happens, right? Then it’ll be more winning?

Is that even a question? No nukes, no problem. Signal the fleet to make steam. Nice work sailors, try not to get cuffed on shore leave.

AntiCompanyMan 04-10-2026 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by vaxedtothemax (Post 4021776)
I forget, how much did we give Ukraine?

Apples and oranges.

Iran is a war of choice that Israel manipulated the US to pursue. It has been a disaster and the US is objectively in a strategically worse position because of it while Iran has been strategically strengthened.

Ukraine is a conflict initiated by Russian aggression rather than a war of choice. Supporting Ukraine has resulted in Russia and its military being significantly weakened, a good thing given they are a chief adversary to US interests around the world.

In any case, the aid we have provided to Ukraine pales in comparison to that given to Israel over the years, so I'm not sure this point has the salience you think it does.



Originally Posted by vaxedtothemax (Post 4021776)
How has the policies against Iran worked from ‘78 to 2/26?

Dissent against the government in Iran was at an all time high until we started dropping bombs. Who knows if the regime would have survived succession once the elder Khomeini, who was 86 and ailing with cancer, would have died a natural death in the next 6 months to a year. That probably would've been the best bet to achieve regime change.

Instead we made him a martyr and made ourselves the villain by threatening to genocide the Iranian people.


Originally Posted by vaxedtothemax (Post 4021776)
Life was really good, gas was low… things were humming along nicely. It would seem
anyone with a modicum of common sense can conclude that to risk losing that, there was most likely a threat that a President finally had the balls to address rather than saying “Don’t”.

I'm glad you have blind faith in a President who has grown increasingly deranged and erratic, posting evermore unhinged rants. Despite your trust, all reporting indicates that he did so at the behest of the Israel rather than due to any specific threat on the ground. There was no evidence of an imminent threat from Iran.

I think it's less about having the "balls" to do it than having the good sense to recognize that US and Israeli interests are not one and the same.

Ironic though that you talk about "balls" and machismo even though he has thrown a weeks long temper tantrum about how NATO hasn't come to our aid in our war of choice.


Originally Posted by vaxedtothemax (Post 4021776)
I’ve got between 51 and 111 days for oil to
retreat to $70, the stock market to gain about 1k, no furloughs to happen and no
a/c delivery changes. I like my chances.

I said several pages back oil would retreat 20-30% almost immediately when a deal
was reached. It retreated 17% on nothing more than a ceasefire announcement. Where are my oil” to the moon” chicken littles at?

Time will tell whether you are right. However pegging all your hopes to futures prices doesn't reflect reality. Futures pricing may have dropped significantly, but spot prices remain extremely elevated:

"The futures and spot prices are rarely exactly the same, but the gap between them has grown unusually big in the past few weeks, so much so that oil executives and analysts say futures prices no longer accurately reflect the extent of the supply shock that the world is experiencing.

“The futures market is not representing the on-the-ground and on-the-water reality of oil at all,” said Vikas Dwivedi, global energy strategist at Macquarie Group, an Australian financial services firm. “It’s quite broken.”

Mike Wirth, the chief executive of Chevron, the second-largest U.S. oil company, expressed similar concerns last month at a Houston energy conference, CERAWeek by S&P Global.

“Physical prices and physical supplies would reflect a tighter market than I think the forward curve reflects,” Mr. Wirth said, referring to the futures market."

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/10/b...il-prices.html

ShyGuy 04-10-2026 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by ReadOnly7 (Post 4021812)
such a brave and original take on things. Many previous Presidents have done numerous “stupid” things along these lines. Unless you have ALL the BTS info, you’re just spewing your partisan BS. (I don’t like the situation, either)

Nah. The fact you said that shows your bias / side you’re on.



This war is stupid. Period, full stop. He’s doing the exact same thing he said he would not do, ran on not doing, and in fact, accused that the Democrats would start a war with Iran and take us into another ME war.





ThumbsUp 04-10-2026 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 4021809)
You're correct. Because no other President would have been stupid enough to do this.

Someone would have to do it eventually, democrat or republican. No one would let them get a nuke. And if there was evidence they had enriched to 84% 3 years ago, it’s not a stretch that they were close to doing so now with the delivery vehicles they already have.

Unfortunately, it’s somewhat of a dichotomy given the stranglehold the Islamists have on the government. Complete annihilation or let them get a nuke.

airplanes 04-10-2026 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by ThumbsUp (Post 4021852)
Someone would have to do it eventually, democrat or republican. No one would let them get a nuke. And if there was evidence they had enriched to 84% 3 years ago, it’s not a stretch that they were close to doing so now with the delivery vehicles they already have.

Unfortunately, it’s somewhat of a dichotomy given the stranglehold the Islamists have on the government. Complete annihilation or let them get a nuke.

I can’t wait for Iran to finally agree to stop making nuclear weapons and agree to allow outside inspectors to ensure there is no illegal enrichment going on.

ThumbsUp 04-10-2026 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by airplanes (Post 4021872)
I can’t wait for Iran to finally agree to stop making nuclear weapons and agree to allow outside inspectors to ensure there is no illegal enrichment going on.

Yeah, unfortunately there is actually no way to do that in a manner which they would comply. That’s why JCPOA was a pipe dream. Unless there was a way to remove every ounce of nuclear material and forever prevent it from entering the country covertly, both of which would never happen, they would always seek one. It’s just the nature of terrorists. Negotiating with them is a fool’s errand.

airplanes 04-10-2026 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by ThumbsUp (Post 4021878)
Yeah, unfortunately there is actually no way to do that in a manner which they would comply. That’s why JCPOA was a pipe dream. Unless there was a way to remove every ounce of nuclear material and forever prevent it from entering the country covertly, both of which would never happen, they would always seek one. It’s just the nature of terrorists. Negotiating with them is a fool’s errand.

Oh ok. I guess JD is going to Pakistan just to eat biryani and play golf. Someone should really tell him about the whole fool’s errand thing. But I’m sure this Khamenei is so honest compared to the last one.

ThumbsUp 04-10-2026 10:33 AM


Originally Posted by airplanes (Post 4021883)
Oh ok. I guess JD is going to Pakistan just to eat biryani and play golf. Someone should really tell him about the whole fool’s errand thing. But I’m sure this Khamenei is so honest compared to the last one.

I agree, you should finish what you start.


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