Would the world be safer or less safe with the Mullahs having nukes? Since they took over during Carter, have they made any attempts at peace in the Middle East? Have they supported, sponsored, directed terrorism(attacks) on US interests throughout the ME, Europe and anywhere else they could? Have you talked to any Iranians that fled Iran? These *******s needed to be obliterated 50 years ago.

Yes it’s gambling. And they’re letting a very short timer bet a damn fine farm he doesn’t own.

Were those leaders you looked up to?

Please explain to us how the Gulf States, the Iranian people, and world oil markets are going to be better off. We have decapitated the Iranian leadership, only to see a head grow back that will be just as radical, if not more so.

We have given Iran the opportunity to demonstrate that they can, in fact, effectively close the Straight of Hormuz, even in a severely weakened state. We have doubled or tripled (depending on who you talk to) Iranian oil revenues vs pre-war. The Iranians may yet try and charge tolls for traffic passing through the straight. They have not, and most likely will not agree to a nuclear inspection regime on the ground. Do you think some of their newfound revenues just might be used to restart their nuclear program? That money will certainly be used to replenish their stocks of missiles, drones, and mines.

We have demonstrated to Iran & every other rogue nation on the planet that it is in their best interest to develop nuclear weapons as quickly as possible, lest their leadership suffer the same fate as the Ayatollah, or Maduro, or whoever we decide we don’t like this week. The worst possible outcome here was allowing the regime in Iran to survive and rebuild which is exactly the direction we are headed.

The regime in Iran was never going to collapse à la Venezuela & the American people were never going to have the stomach for actual regime change in Iran. I guarantee you that at least some of the president’s advisors know this. If we value our way of life, we should start insisting that he listen to them.

No, fix bound to fail. I believe in no party. No deity. But that’s just one cowboy talking cowchit. The vice is elected for a reason. If he’s ever going to step out from behind a rather large, looming shadow this might not be the worst moment.

Well this thread is all over the place.

A good book about "victor's justice" is "Nuremberg, The Last Battle" by David Irving.

The general theme is that very few of the crimes prosecuted at Nuremberg wouldn't have also been easily and equally applied to the victors.

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One of the better discussions about the tension between the average soldier's political obligation vs their own morality is in Shakespeare's Henry V when King Henry disguises himself and talks to the common trooper about who is ultimately responsible for the death and destruction they're inflicting on everyone around them.

The Kenneth Branagh movie adaptation is excellent, but I can't find that clip.


Is the cause just? Should the average soldier even care? If it is not just, doesn't the sin lie upon the king's head, because it's the soldier's duty to follow the king?

This one is pretty good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3Gh_Nfls20

This is correct. The guy objectively lost a legit election and then hijacked the government.

I don't necessarily think it was a great idea going in there in force, but the US simply arrested a narco boss, not a "head of state".

Also correct. This is chapter four or five of the Oct 7 war, which was actually started by Iran (the proxies don't wipe even their arses without permission from the guys in Tehran).

I tend to think he wouldn't. I also tend to think the system would intervene. The "button" isn't wired up directly to nuclear missiles, it's just a communication system. There are people in the process.

But it's possible if he perhaps pre-briefed key civilian and military leaders and convinced them that it was a good idea, or at least not too bad of an idea, they might follow orders. For military targets only, nobody is going along with counter-value strikes that would clearly be war crimes under the circumstances.

Don’t I know it. Pilots are better than most at recognizing the irregular. As life under the big top goes, this one gets 5x5 for crossing the ropes. Like when the white tiger ate Roy.

What is a head of state, if not the person who is in charge the state (whether by consent or by force)?



Oct 7 was started by Hamas (the group funded and backstopped by IL via Qatar).

The Oct 7th War? Do tell.