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Originally Posted by bababouey
(Post 4033470)
I think you’re reading way too much into his strategy. He does art of the deal style stuff where he says something insane and over the top to get a reaction. IMO, he desperately wants out of this and won’t resume hostilities unless Iran escalates in a big way. His antics are funny when he’s going after Chuck Schumer or Liz Warren, but in a hot war, against an actual opponent, with very little buy in from our allies, it’s tiring and not funny.
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Originally Posted by bababouey
(Post 4033470)
I think you’re reading way too much into his strategy. He does art of the deal style stuff where he says something insane and over the top to get a reaction. IMO, he desperately wants out of this and won’t resume hostilities unless Iran escalates in a big way. His antics are funny when he’s going after Chuck Schumer or Liz Warren, but in a hot war, against an actual opponent, with very little buy in from our allies, it’s tiring and not funny.
Here's part of the deal about Trump wrt to Hormuz: the possibility is very real/likely that he's actually trying to keep it closed as long as possible. Every war game run by pentagon nerds last several decades has come to the conclusion that IRGC would close it and would be able to keep it closed indefinitely with minimal resources. So why would you want to attack Iran directly unless keeping the straight closed benefitted you.... that's why he blockaded as soon as they set up their toll booth. Maybe it's tiring to you because it doesn't make sense to you and you can't see the play or even imagine that there is one. I do not agree with the actions, nor do I agree with the rhetoric/antics, but there's clearly leverage being applied here, and keeping it closed is part of it while hinting at a looming peace deal everytime the treasury yield hits 4.4%. Also, he's very clearly treating the NATO allies like children, just like he is with California, and letting them stick their climate change fear fork into the outlet so they can feel the shock of the stupid things they do. |
Originally Posted by Turbosina
(Post 4033404)
So in one breath you condemn the IRGC for murdering 30,000 of their own people, and in the second breath you say that we should murder a few million? Do you even listen to your own ravings?
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 4033484)
Who said we should murder a few million? The area along Hormuz is sparsely populated, and by now mostly by combatants. Announce your intention, give everybody 48 hours to get inland and take out the remaining weapon sites with airbursts. Repeat as necessary until Iran recognizes the internationally recognized right of passage.
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Originally Posted by Freds Ex
(Post 4033480)
Or maybe you're not reading into it at all.
Here's part of the deal about Trump wrt to Hormuz: the possibility is very real/likely that he's actually trying to keep it closed as long as possible. Every war game run by pentagon nerds last several decades has come to the conclusion that IRGC would close it and would be able to keep it closed indefinitely with minimal resources. So why would you want to attack Iran directly unless keeping the straight closed benefitted you.... that's why he blockaded as soon as they set up their toll booth. Maybe it's tiring to you because it doesn't make sense to you and you can't see the play or even imagine that there is one. I do not agree with the actions, nor do I agree with the rhetoric/antics, but there's clearly leverage being applied here, and keeping it closed is part of it while hinting at a looming peace deal everytime the treasury yield hits 4.4%. Also, he's very clearly treating the NATO allies like children, just like he is with California, and letting them stick their climate change fear fork into the outlet so they can feel the shock of the stupid things they do. |
Originally Posted by word302
(Post 4033490)
It's funny that you think after dropping a bunch of bombs on a country that they should act rationally and lawfully.
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Originally Posted by word302
(Post 4033490)
It's funny that you think after dropping a bunch of bombs on a country that they should act rationally and lawfully.
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Originally Posted by word302
(Post 4033489)
You act as if he's not an idiotic petulant child. Though I've never believed he was actually the one pulling the strings.
I think whether or not he is an idiotic petulant child or not is rather irrelevant, because if he is, those attributes are therefore useful and valuable to his economic situation, and if he's not, then he's not, AND he's got significant percentage of the world duped.
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 4033514)
You don’t think Japan and Germany act rationally and lawfully?
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 4033484)
Who said we should murder a few million? The area along Hormuz is sparsely populated, and by now mostly by combatants. Announce your intention, give everybody 48 hours to get inland and take out the remaining weapon sites with airbursts. Repeat as necessary until Iran recognizes the internationally recognized right of passage.
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Originally Posted by Lowslung
(Post 4033302)
This isn’t that hard. They fire a few rockets & damage a few tankers. Then the people who own and insure said tankers stop sailing through that particular body of water because the risk is just too high when you consider the extent of their investment. A few ships went through because either they a) coordinated with & probably paid the Iranians, or b) thought the warring parties were actually serious about a “ceasefire” (they weren’t). To sum it up, Iran can hold significant sway over the strait, even if they’ve been reduced to a limited number of crude weapons.
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