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Turbosina 05-08-2026 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 4033360)
Worked for Truman

So in one breath you condemn the IRGC for murdering 30,000 of their own people, and in the second breath you say that we should murder a few million? Do you even listen to your own ravings?

rickair7777 05-08-2026 08:24 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 4033360)
Worked for Truman

That was vastly different circumstances, not even remotely comparable.

I don't think the CoC would even obey an order to nuke Tehran, or any other part of IR without some really compelling reasons.

Not happening, stupid to even discuss.

word302 05-08-2026 08:59 AM

Literally a conversation we had in one of my college freshman classes. I was about 10 years older than most in the room and we were discussing the current ME conflict (this was about 25 years ago). The dumbest person in the room blurted out "I don't understand why we don't just nuke 'em. It worked in Japan". Literally every person in the room, most of them 18 year old kids, turned to look at her with the WTF look on their faces.

MaxQ 05-08-2026 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 4033415)
That was vastly different circumstances, not even remotely comparable.

I don't think the CoC would even obey an order to nuke Tehran, or any other part of IR without some really compelling reasons.

Not happening, stupid to even discuss.

On April 7th Trump threatened, via truth social i believe, to use nuclear weapons. (The tell wasn't just the end of a civilization part...it was the 'from which it wll not come back' portion)
About an hour or two later, a 30 day cease fire was announced.

The following is pure speculation on my part:
Did this cause an uproar in his inner circle?
Did Gen. Cain tell him whether or not such an order would be carried out?
Was there finally a check on his impulsive Id, or was it a nothing burger? (Just blather due to his not understanding the enormity of what he posted)
Did the Iranians consider it a credible threat, and hence agree to the cease fire?




ThumbsUp 05-08-2026 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by MaxQ (Post 4033436)
On April 7th Trump threatened, via truth social i believe, to use nuclear weapons. (The tell wasn't just the end of a civilization part...it was the 'from which it wll not come back' portion)
About an hour or two later, a 30 day cease fire was announced.

The following is pure speculation on my part:
Did this cause an uproar in his inner circle?
Did Gen. Cain tell him whether or not such an order would be carried out?
Was there finally a check on his impulsive Id, or was it a nothing burger? (Just blather due to his not understanding the enormity of what he posted)
Did the Iranians consider it a credible threat, and hence agree to the cease fire?

Your extreme bias is showing if this is what you make of that statement.

jerryleber 05-08-2026 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by ThumbsUp (Post 4033437)
Your extreme bias is showing if this is what you make of that statement.

Really? Why is that?

METO Guido 05-08-2026 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by word302 (Post 4033428)
Literally a conversation we had in one of my college freshman classes. I was about 10 years older than most in the room and we were discussing the current ME conflict (this was about 25 years ago). The dumbest person in the room blurted out "I don't understand why we don't just nuke 'em. It worked in Japan". Literally every person in the room, most of them 18 year old kids, turned to look at her with the WTF look on their faces.

Doubtful any smiles in the IDF classroom. Just because a mullah looks like rip van winkle doesn’t mean they can’t or won’t order up a mushroom maker suicide attack.

bababouey 05-08-2026 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by MaxQ (Post 4033436)
On April 7th Trump threatened, via truth social i believe, to use nuclear weapons. (The tell wasn't just the end of a civilization part...it was the 'from which it wll not come back' portion)
About an hour or two later, a 30 day cease fire was announced.

The following is pure speculation on my part:
Did this cause an uproar in his inner circle?
Did Gen. Cain tell him whether or not such an order would be carried out?
Was there finally a check on his impulsive Id, or was it a nothing burger? (Just blather due to his not understanding the enormity of what he posted)
Did the Iranians consider it a credible threat, and hence agree to the cease fire?

I think you’re reading way too much into his strategy. He does art of the deal style stuff where he says something insane and over the top to get a reaction. IMO, he desperately wants out of this and won’t resume hostilities unless Iran escalates in a big way. His antics are funny when he’s going after Chuck Schumer or Liz Warren, but in a hot war, against an actual opponent, with very little buy in from our allies, it’s tiring and not funny.

Excargodog 05-08-2026 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 4033415)
That was vastly different circumstances, not even remotely comparable.

I don't think the CoC would even obey an order to nuke Tehran, or any other part of IR without some really compelling reasons.

Not happening, stupid to even discuss.

Respectfully disagree. A series of air burst tactical nukes along the Iranian coast opposite the strait of Hormuz would certainly obviate the need for boots on the ground in that area, and reestablish the fact that Iran has no right under international law to extort fees from passing ships.

Refusing to allow holding ships hostage for payment on international waters has been US policy for a long time, the precedent for use of force against sovereign powers to enforce that policy going back to the US Marines attacking Derna in 1805 at the First Barbary War.

Nobody is suggesting nuking Tehran or even Bandar Abbas. The target area is lightly populated, mostly by combatants:

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Excargodog 05-08-2026 11:26 AM


Originally Posted by bababouey (Post 4033470)
I think you’re reading way too much into his strategy. He does art of the deal style stuff where he says something insane and over the top to get a reaction. IMO, he desperately wants out of this and won’t resume hostilities unless Iran escalates in a big way. His antics are funny when he’s going after Chuck Schumer or Liz Warren, but in a hot war, against an actual opponent, with very little buy in from our allies, it’s tiring and not funny.

Thirty-five years plus of “peace dividends” have rendered most of our European allies pretty much irrelevant militarily.


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