Do they still have the enriched uranium? Is the Strait of Hormuz open? Is the Islamic Republic still in control? How exactly has "Iran finally (been) put in its place?

 

Yes; with no way to further produce or employ a weapon.

Yes; but, understandably, most commercial civilian vessels are not passing due to increased risk.

No. Current leadership is floundering, see recent Islamabad talks. Total flop fest.

See examples above. Iran isn't winning at anything as much as you all want them to and for the Orangeman to be the baddie.

 

Sorry, but reality and your perception of it WRT Iran and the Persian Gulf are quite different.

 

Friendly reminder that our president has zero issue with killing potentially millions of Iranian civilians too. We have zero moral high ground in this war. Zero.

 

Stupid tweets are just that, stupid. I agree most don't help, but guess what? DoW and LOAC have a huge problem with killing millions of civilians and our military will rightfully follow them; Iranian civilians will not be targeted by US Forces, thats a never-ending guarantee.

Are we murdering our citizens for protesting? Do we publicly execute homosexuals in the US and I've just never known it? No moral high ground? Sure pal.

Time to touch grass as the kids say these days...

 

He is the President of the United States. If you are chalking up posts alluding to genocide as just another “stupid tweet” you need to have your head examined. It’s pathetic how low the bar has been set and what is deemed acceptable rhetoric by an alarmingly large percentage of Americans.

 

We were told last summer that we had effectively ended their nuclear program. You’ll have to excuse the more skeptical of us if we think the nuclear issue might just be used as an excuse for future US and Israeli military “excursions”.

The straight is open but commercial ships don’t want to cross due to risk? Do you hear yourself? If you can’t see what an oxymoronic statement that is, I don’t know if there’s any hope for you. It’s kinda like saying cigarettes are totally good for you, it’s just that pesky tar and nicotine that gets you addicted and gives you cancer.

Iran has lost a lot, that I’ll give you. We have trounced them by every military metric. But if you’ve been paying attention, we’ve learned (or should have learned) in every conflict since World War Two that you can win every battle and still wind up in a strategic loss or stalemate. That happens when your objectives aren’t clearly defined before commencing action and/or you allow mission creep to constantly move the goalposts as you go along.

The fact is the Iranian “regime” has not been changed. Hardliners remain in power and the IRGC remains loyal. Prior to the war, the idea that Iran could close the straight was only a theory. Now it’s been proven. Expect them to continue flex that capability in the future. Before the war, we thought we could shut down their nuclear ambitions with a few well placed massive ordinance penetrators. Apparently that wasn’t sufficient & we’re left with two options: a ground campaign that secures their nuclear materials, or a robust agreement that allows verification of them dismantling the program. Neither of those options seem likely or realistic.

So please do tell us, despite pummeling however many military targets, how exactly are we coming out ahead here? I see a great many downsides & little to no upside here.

 

Every President in history has said something offensive or in poor taste. No one is perfect. Im not defending Trump's tweets. I agree, hes an idiot most of the time with it and honestly we'd all be better off if he stopped. Head examined? Because I don't go into a tizzy over an asinine tweet or something an elected official said that could be offensive? Alright. Ill call a doc and ask him if being too mature can be cured.

But hey, Trump is the only politician to ever say something stupid, I forgot.

"​I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man."
-- Former Pres. Joe Biden.

"Strategery." -- Former Pres. G. W. Bush

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman." Former Pres. Bill Clinton

 

Thank you for pointing out the difference between a stupid tweet/statement and something that is certifiably insane.

“A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again. I don’t want that to happen, but it probably will. However, now that we have Complete and Total Regime Change, where different, smarter, and less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something revolutionarily wonderful can happen, WHO KNOWS? We will find out tonight, one of the most important moments in the long and complex history of the World. 47 years of extortion, corruption, and death, will finally end. God Bless the Great People of Iran!”

-Current President Donald J. Trump

Who knows? Maybe I’ll order a nuclear strike or destroy water desalination plants, maybe I won’t. We’ll just have to wait and see.

I mean compared to Biden’s stupidity, they’re totally the same thing.

 

Sounds good. Call your Rep and Senator and get that 25th Amendment going I guess.

--Out--