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Old 09-25-2007 | 02:14 PM
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I laughed my A$$ of when Homer made that comment.
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Old 09-25-2007 | 04:42 PM
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That's why you should aspire to fly freight.
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Old 09-26-2007 | 02:19 PM
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Good post. Thanks.

I find nothing more sadly ironic than the people who in one breath pat themselves on the back for saving $5 on their ticket and then complain in the next about having to pay $4 for a sandwich on the cross-country flight.
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Old 09-26-2007 | 11:32 PM
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Well written and well thought through. It applies to nearly any career

ILS...savings is still $1. The power of the American buck!
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Old 03-12-2008 | 06:10 PM
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Anyone have any connections where we could get this to the mainstream media? No kidding. As well written as it is, could do us all some good out there rather ran contained here on this forum.
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Old 03-12-2008 | 07:03 PM
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Great post and I do not think the media would publish this as it is a positive piece and not the negative drivel they spew on a constant basis.
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Old 03-12-2008 | 08:03 PM
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I have to take issue with your facile argument that underpaid pilots equal incompetent pilots.
“Unthinkable missteps by incompetent pilots resulting in massive loss of life and substantial hull losses”, you say.....”inexcusable errors that should have never happened.” Pretty dramatic prose. Let’s see, 35 years ago, when the industry was regulated and, according to your post, pilots were making twice as much in real dollars as we are today, 3 Eastern pilots flew a perfectly good L-1011 into the Everglades. Oops! That's kind of unthinkable. A few years later another stalwart of the industry, United, lost a DC-8 near PDX when it ran out of fuel short of the runway. I’d say that’s pretty inexcusable.
It’s pretty easy to sit on the sidelines and lob epithets at pilots who screw up so badly...that's why they're accidents. Are they incompetent because they're underpaid. You're no where near proving that proposition with those anectodal facts. ...I think you can look back at history and see that it's never just one thing. There but for the grace of....you know the rest, buddy.
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Old 03-13-2008 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by seaav8tor
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... Air Conference members should be held accountable for manslaughter, or if they fully understand what they have done, murder.
Definition: Murder - the killing of another human being under conditions of malice aforethought.

I don't think I'd be so bold as to call their actions "murder". Manslaughter isn't even a close charge. Just because airlines are cutting costs doesn't mean they are acting with malice. Especially since they train their pilots according to FAA mandated standards.



Overall, I thought it was a good post. We do need to keep the pay higher to continue attracting quality people to this profession. But you lost me at murder.


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... If he were alive today, Johnny Carson would not be flying Delta or any other airline. He would not be able to find any well-paid happy pilots....
What about SWA? Pretty happy and well paid from what I understand.
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Old 03-13-2008 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by maybeesdid
Very well written. Thank you for taking the time. Now let's help the general public understand.
Seaav8tor writes almost as well as this guy
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Old 03-13-2008 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by MacMan
I have to take issue with your facile argument that underpaid pilots equal incompetent pilots.
“Unthinkable missteps by incompetent pilots resulting in massive loss of life and substantial hull losses”, you say.....”inexcusable errors that should have never happened.” Pretty dramatic prose. Let’s see, 35 years ago, when the industry was regulated and, according to your post, pilots were making twice as much in real dollars as we are today, 3 Eastern pilots flew a perfectly good L-1011 into the Everglades. Oops! That's kind of unthinkable. A few years later another stalwart of the industry, United, lost a DC-8 near PDX when it ran out of fuel short of the runway. I’d say that’s pretty inexcusable.
It’s pretty easy to sit on the sidelines and lob epithets at pilots who screw up so badly...that's why they're accidents. Are they incompetent because they're underpaid. You're no where near proving that proposition with those anectodal facts. ...I think you can look back at history and see that it's never just one thing. There but for the grace of....you know the rest, buddy.
I think the author's ultimate point was that there is a threshold at which the majority of people are willing to put up with in regards to pay. If management drops the pay low enough, the average person will not take on the dept, hard work and sacrifice it takes to become an airline pilot. I certainly would not have done what I did if the expected payout was not good. If at some point the pay becomes less than what I think I should earn to be away from my family, fly on the back side of the clock and always be tired then I will quit. There is always a sales job or a high school PE teacher playing ping pong all day sounds good too. There is only so much we'll put up with before it becomes not worth it, the management is working its way there now....
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