TipTip35

CAL pilots,

Is CAL mgmt and pilot representation currently in continuous negotiations for the new contract? I saw a month or so ago that they started talks but I wasnt sure if it continued. Also is there a deadline that they are trying to have it done by or is this one that may take a few years to get passed...
Thanks

Ottopilot

They are in negotiations and have completed many sections: the easy ones, of course. There is a schedule of negotiations, but I'm not sure what the finish date is. The pilots want it by January 09 (it's amendable December 31, 2008). I've never seen one signed on the amendable date.

catIIIc

The company opened early because they want to get ours done first before AA so we will be the benchmark versus CAL having to match AA's new contract. Believe me this was not done because they like us so much.

TipTip35

Did CAL pilots give up anything (pay, benefits, etc) following 9/11? I know they didnt furlough but was anything else done? Basically I'm wondering how they compared to DAL, UAL, and AA pre-9/11 and if they are trying to get back to that level...or were they never at that level....

Ottopilot

Yes they did give up a lot after 9/11.
Yes they did furlough (some as flow back to Express and some to the street).
They were not at the level of other majors before 9/11, but they are the same now.

We hope to get it all back and more this time.

757Driver

No way Otto. We only lead in hourly rates otherwise our contract sucks compared to everybody elses. That's a common theme here at CAL, jump at the pay rates while taking it in the shorts on every other issue within the contract. Myopic at best.

Ottopilot

You are correct, I was just trying to be concise. I'm not that familiar with other airlines contracts before or after 9/11. I do know they gave up more than money too.

757Driver

AA was smart and gave up mostly money, (although quite frankly none of us needed to give up anything), and kept the core items of their contract intact.

Of course you already know what happened at CAL. The company yelled "Boo" and we ran screaming like little girls right into their arms.

Pathetic.

ewrbasedpilot

Yes, but the CIC keeps saying BOO, and all the "rich" airline pilots believe everything he says too..................and hence all the security "crap" (you know, "take off your shoes..............." meanwhile we STILL have an ax in the cockpit) we have to deal with. Things were NOT good as many like you seem to believe, and having talked to quite a few people "in the know", CAL was headed straight for the mountain whether you want to believe it or not. We are much better positioned now due to the cuts........although I do think some were much more than needed. The company didn't have to yell anything, the airlines WERE in dire straights. How you couldn't see that is beyond me. Well, at least GWB and all his oil cronies are laughing all the way to the bank, courtesy the airlines and all the "experts" who keep predicting hurricanes and oil shortages to keep oil prices sky high. Do you still believe Iraq was responsible for 9-11 too?

757Driver

Pay close attention to the above post folks, here's one of the "SLG's" that bought into the company propaganda and gave away the store, (with no snap-backs mind you, f'ing brilliant), just because the company said so.

Nice work EWR, you saved the company just like our friends during the '83-'85 debacle. Hopefully we've learned our lesson and you'll be a very silent minority during our next contract ratification process.