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Old 10-17-2007 | 01:52 PM
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Since at least 10% of new hire CAL pilots quit, that will help your chances of getting an interview. Sad, but true.
Aww come on Otto! Quit for where? I'm sure you're stating the truth, but that's a bummer. Guys getting the 737 type and bouncing to SWA? Not cool at all.
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Old 10-17-2007 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by LifeNtheFstLne
Aww come on Otto! Quit for where? I'm sure you're stating the truth, but that's a bummer. Guys getting the 737 type and bouncing to SWA? Not cool at all.
I have had 4, yes 4 jumpseaters that have been at CAL over a year and 2 are going to DELTA, and two have interviews...............

Guys, look at DELTA's pay and potential.........

I want nothing more than to go to CAL, but if anybody here has read "Worst to First", Larry Kellner is doing the exact opposite of what Gordon did...........It will catch up sooner or later.............., not to mention the pay, QOL, and no health insurance............
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Old 10-17-2007 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by LifeNtheFstLne
Aww come on Otto! Quit for where? I'm sure you're stating the truth, but that's a bummer. Guys getting the 737 type and bouncing to SWA? Not cool at all.
Why is that not cool? It sends a direct message to our lame-ass management that they can't keep treating new-hires, (or the entire Pilot group for that matter), like door mats.
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Old 10-17-2007 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by SAABaroowski
I have had 4, yes 4 jumpseaters that have been at CAL over a year and 2 are going to DELTA, and two have interviews...............

Guys, look at DELTA's pay and potential.........

I want nothing more than to go to CAL, but if anybody here has read "Worst to First", Larry Kellner is doing the exact opposite of what Gordon did...........It will catch up sooner or later.............., not to mention the pay, QOL, and no health insurance............
Totally agree Saabster, Larry's turning this place into bean-counter central and not running an airline.
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Old 10-17-2007 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by CALPilotToo
Date of hire and age within a given class.

Unless something has changed that I am unaware of in the last 17 years.

Good luck to all but don't get caught up in not trying to go elswhere after you get here. PBS is brutal and low pay and no insurance for 6 months. Good airline after that. But if you get a cance move on to SWA, FedEx, or UPS.
Do you think that there's potential to upgrade earlier at CAL (compared to SWA)? SWA has hired 400-600 per year for several years, so you'd be at the very bottom of the list for a lot longer. CAL seems to be more towards the early/middle stages of a hiring boom, which could equate to more rapid senority.

I'd like to hear some other people's opinions on this subject.

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Old 10-17-2007 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 757Driver
Why is that not cool? It sends a direct message to our lame-ass management that they can't keep treating new-hires, (or the entire Pilot group for that matter), like door mats.
What I meant by that is that it's disappointing to hear. I was just happy to finally get a number at a legacy airline. I suppose everyone has their reasons for going to one company or another. I have no interest at all in working for SWA. But yeah, that type of pay would be nice. I have only experienced a few different corporate cultures, and so far CAL is better than most. If you're seeing a shift there, I'm not happy to hear that. It worries me that with all the new blood being drawn to the company over equipment and speedy upgrades, that they will overlook important aspects like schedules, retirement, and benefits. '08 should prove to be interesting.
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Old 10-17-2007 | 06:32 PM
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Totally agree Saabster, Larry's turning this place into bean-counter central and not running an airline.
As you probably gathered from my posts, I'm a newbie at your company - so I say this with utmost respect, please take my questions for what they are. What needs to be changed? Or what issues would you change first? The first one that has hit me right off the bat is the lack of medical coverage, something I found surprising but knew of prior to accepting the job. What are some improvements that can be made at CAL without significantly eroding the profits that are setting them apart right now from some of the other carriers?

I also read 'From Worst to First' and somehow hoped that a bit of that was still left in the company.
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Old 10-17-2007 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by LifeNtheFstLne
As you probably gathered from my posts, I'm a newbie at your company - so I say this with utmost respect, please take my questions for what they are. What needs to be changed? Or what issues would you change first? The first one that has hit me right off the bat is the lack of medical coverage, something I found surprising but knew of prior to accepting the job. What are some improvements that can be made at CAL without significantly eroding the profits that are setting them apart right now from some of the other carriers?

I also read 'From Worst to First' and somehow hoped that a bit of that was still left in the company.
any improvement is going to erode some of the profit unless it is offset with something else. the new buzz word is cost neutral.

who are they setting themselves apart from? just about everyone seems to be making money so far this year.
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Old 10-18-2007 | 05:07 AM
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Low starting pay.
No medical benefits.
Crappy reserve rules.
Crappy bases.

People leaving for SouthWest, Delta, Fedex, etc.
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Originally Posted by Ottopilot
Low starting pay.
No medical benefits.
Crappy reserve rules.
Crappy bases.

People leaving for SouthWest, Delta, Fedex, etc.
You are talking about CAL I assume? Funny, I remember in the past, you constantly stated what a great place it was to be at. Despite all the things you listed above as well as the topic of another thread that's currently running in the majors section concerning a certain group of guys on your property.

And if I remember correctly, you said that guys getting the free type and going to SW was "not cool". Do you still blame them?
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