DAL 7ER out of JFK...
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Also, when checking how many pilots senior to you have bids for the ER, realize that they may have qualifiers in them. 7ER in NYC if in the top 50%, not on reserve, etc... It's a good tool to make an educated guess, but not a sure thing. Stand by for the 20th to get the final answer.
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The line pilot need not concern himself with shadow bidding. It is a fictitious set of bid preferences usually reserved for mgmt sorts who don't fly much. Shadow bidders don't actually fly the trips awarded: they are "awarded" for pay purposes only. There might be a bit more to shadow bidding, but that is the essence of it.
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Viking... it is out, what is your question? Not that many people bid out of the ER - was that your question?
We've got answers, if you got questions.
We've got answers, if you got questions.
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Well, I prolly have more questions than I care to type and you care to read. I am in the Dec 3rd class and ANY news is of high interest. I.e. where the movement is going, is our class still going to be all ER's, what is the chances of holding a ER spot in ATL in the near future, how long are we talking reserve ER in ATL, NYC, LAX.... All info is good info!
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Probably all ER, from what I know. Maybe even the next class in Jan.
You will not be able to bid back to ATL until the next AE, which should be in the beginning of March (I think). Junior ATL ER pilot is 71xx. Don't know exactly. So its possible. Likely??? Dunno. This AE had a great deal of movement because of the establishment of new categories. May not be the case on subsequent AE's. The nice part about the NYC ER, however, is that you can bid for atl767 as well as atl7er without having to go through training again and without a seatlock.
I'll be converted to ATL ER's following the latest AE. Personally, I plan on being on reserve until I can hold Capt. Its a senior seat, period. NYC ER is far more junior at the tail end of the list, for your class if you stay there, maybe a year to be a junior line holder/ maybe six months. They should be putting more newhires on that seat now that the AE came up so short...so that could work out for you.
If anything, it would be better for all of you in the Dec 3rd class if there was some variety of airframes available, but I don't think that will be the case.
Long and short of it is that there isn't a bad seat for newhires right now. Anyone who tells you differently is selling you something. We plan on hiring solid numbers next year and you no longer have to fly sideways as a newhire...life is good. Until oil starts kicking our collective ass. Hopefully, this time around the entire industry is smart enough to simply pass the costs on directly to the consumer.
Have fun in indoc.
You will not be able to bid back to ATL until the next AE, which should be in the beginning of March (I think). Junior ATL ER pilot is 71xx. Don't know exactly. So its possible. Likely??? Dunno. This AE had a great deal of movement because of the establishment of new categories. May not be the case on subsequent AE's. The nice part about the NYC ER, however, is that you can bid for atl767 as well as atl7er without having to go through training again and without a seatlock.
I'll be converted to ATL ER's following the latest AE. Personally, I plan on being on reserve until I can hold Capt. Its a senior seat, period. NYC ER is far more junior at the tail end of the list, for your class if you stay there, maybe a year to be a junior line holder/ maybe six months. They should be putting more newhires on that seat now that the AE came up so short...so that could work out for you.
If anything, it would be better for all of you in the Dec 3rd class if there was some variety of airframes available, but I don't think that will be the case.
Long and short of it is that there isn't a bad seat for newhires right now. Anyone who tells you differently is selling you something. We plan on hiring solid numbers next year and you no longer have to fly sideways as a newhire...life is good. Until oil starts kicking our collective ass. Hopefully, this time around the entire industry is smart enough to simply pass the costs on directly to the consumer.
Have fun in indoc.
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