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Old 11-03-2007, 09:10 AM
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I wanted to post some recent financial results from the United States largest 7 airlines.

(These numbers are in MILLIONS of dollars. They represent Net Income, not those crazy $23 billion dollar paper profits from exiting bankruptcy)
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	AA	UAL	DAL	CAL	NWA	USAIR	SOUTHWEST
2Q06	291	119	175	198	179	305	333
3Q06	15	190	52	237	252	-78	48
4Q06	17	-61	-179	-26	-267	12	57

NET06	231	-58	-308	343	35	303	499

1Q07	81	-152	-6	22	-292	66	93
2Q07	317	274	274	278	273	263	278
3Q07	175	334	220	241	244	177	162
Combined over the past 6 quarters (1.5 years), these 7 airlines have made a combined 5.19 BILLION dollars.
That means each airline is average close to $500 Million dollars a year.

Your airline can afford it!
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They can't afford a raise for us AND their million dollar bonuses! See, they weren't lying.
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If they can make proffits with oil at $95 a barrel they could have afforded our pay rates of 5 years ago. They do what they want to do and we just "dance on a string held by the bigshots."
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If they can make proffits with oil at $95 a barrel they could have afforded our pay rates of 5 years ago. They do what they want to do and we just "dance on a string held by the bigshots."
It's going to be interesting negotiations when the sabre rattling with Iran stops and the pen-striped suits of Wall St. lose their glutes on oil futures.It's important for SWA to hold the line, and for the rest of us to, "take it back." I'm not trying to kill the golden goose, but get back SOME of what we lost. I too agree that if an airline has repetitive 200M quarters at 80+ oil, then at 60-70 oil, net profits should exceed a billion easily. The question is can we get the futures trading under control? I know there are a million other geographical and geopolitical reasons for high oil, but as far as I'm concerned the futures traders are the biggest culprit.Tom
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Futures traders are a BIG reason oil is at the price it is.... pure speculation..... i hope they fall on their ass.
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If they can make proffits with oil at $95 a barrel they could have afforded our pay rates of 5 years ago. They do what they want to do and we just "dance on a string held by the bigshots."
I think that most airlines are hedged well below $95 at this time.
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Originally Posted by aerospacepilot View Post
I wanted to post some recent financial results from the United States largest 7 airlines.

(These numbers are in MILLIONS of dollars. They represent Net Income, not those crazy $23 billion dollar paper profits from exiting bankruptcy)
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    AA    UAL    DAL    CAL    NWA    USAIR    SOUTHWEST
2Q06    291    119    175    198    179    305    333
3Q06    15    190    52    237    252    -78    48
4Q06    17    -61    -179    -26    -267    12    57

NET06    231    -58    -308    343    35    303    499

1Q07    81    -152    -6    22    -292    66    93
2Q07    317    274    274    278    273    263    278
3Q07    175    334    220    241    244    177    162
Combined over the past 6 quarters (1.5 years), these 7 airlines have made a combined 5.19 BILLION dollars.
That means each airline is average close to $500 Million dollars a year.

Your airline can afford it!


That's great, but UPS made almost that much last year alone.
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Originally Posted by FlyByCable View Post
That's great, but UPS made almost that much last year alone.
And God knows.........they use FUEL!!!
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Originally Posted by FlyByCable View Post
That's great, but UPS made almost that much last year alone.
First off what's your point? We all know that UPS is making money.

Your right. And their pay rates are still well below many legacy carriers in 2000. That's the only unfortunate thing.
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Originally Posted by sully606 View Post
I think that most airlines are hedged well below $95 at this time.
Yes, they are hedged below $95. But when oil was approaching $70 a barrell and we were making pre bankrupcy wages, the airlines were crying bloody murder about the cost of fuel. I hear no such cries now. Just something to make you wonder....
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