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11-15-2007 | 08:05 PM

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Bush unveils plan to learn how to speak properly........

Even funnier with that avatar. I think that we should help South Africa's airspace.

11-15-2007 | 08:40 PM

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Something that has always amazed me is that after the findings on 9-11 we found out that they were only 2 fighters armed and available to protect the entire East Coast of the US. What exactly were they using all that airspace for? I guess if I knew they would have to kill me!

That's no mystery...there is a BIG difference between normal continuation and upgrade training for fighter units and those flying/sitting alert.

Fighters are not flying around on a daily basis toting live missiles. On 9/11, I'm sure there were a ton of fighters flying around...but none of them had any ordnance on board that they could DO anything about the airliners. That's assuming that anyone had any idea what was happening anyway.

That airspace is being used to BFM, ACM, ACT, CAS, TST, BSA, and any number of three-letter initial sets that describe all the different types of training missions that military aircraft accomplish every day.

11-16-2007 | 04:13 AM

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That airspace is being used to BFM, ACM, ACT, CAS, TST, BSA, and any number of three-letter initial sets that describe all the different types of training missions that military aircraft accomplish every day.

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For my own edification on the subject. Do you (or anyone else) believe that there are any modifications that could be made to those warning areas, that would still provide ample training space for the DoD and yet provide about three to five more north-south offshore jet-routes in the FL 200 to FL 450 range to the commercial sector?

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11-16-2007 | 04:14 AM

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The most amazing thing to me that day was how quickly I saw fully loaded ACFT overhead. I would have bet it would have taken hours, but it didn't.

11-16-2007 | 04:22 AM

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No, closing part of the training would not do any good. You would have to close all the airspace off the east coast to have any real impact on routes.

11-16-2007 | 04:22 AM

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I did see they increased the minimum dollar amount for bumping pax from 400 to 800. I assume the airlines' response will now make more fairs restricted.

What time limit or guidance does your airline have as far as a time limit to sit on the taxiways before returning to the gate?

Typical government response.....................they cause the problem and we have to pay for it. The controllers contract was gutted by this rocket scientist, and now WE, the employees, get to pay for the damage. The pattern in EWR keeps getting bigger, and bigger and bigger, so the governments response to the problem is to allow more airlines into EWR, LGA, and JFK. Brilliant!!!! Until the controllers get a new contract, we'll be paying for this for a long time. Nothing like making our downwind legs 25 miles long. At least the oil companies aren't complaining, are they?

11-16-2007 | 05:02 AM

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You're kidding, right? It's only wall-to-wall off the coast from Miami to Boston...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ty/vacapes.htm

Active Warning Areas and MOAs are restricted as far as IFR traffic is concerned. And if you're bumbling through there VFR, you're a prime candidate for a Darwin Award.

Take it easy! I guess I framed the original question wrong. I know there are quite a few Warning areas off the east coast, but they are not restricted. You can , and I have quite often flown through them on an airway with a clearance (IFR), flying to and from Fla and the N.E. Check out Flightaware and folow the airline or frac. of your choice. They traverse this airspace all the time.

What I should have said is that this is lip service from the great comunicator, as I don't think this will help at all. Even if this does allow for some more direct routing, we are still trying to stuff 10LBS of #@%& in to a 5LB bag.

So back to my original question ( not the stupid one) What do you guys and gals think will solve the problem?

11-16-2007 | 05:21 AM

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........So back to my original question ( not the stupid one) What do you guys and gals think will solve the problem?

Two words for the controllers: NEW CONTRACT (That is if it's an acceptable one).

11-16-2007 | 07:00 AM

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Airlines do not like to be delayed either. I doubt government can bring any more pressure to a situation that most operators are already trying desperately to fix themselves.

The use of airspace in the North East is inefficient and just as pointed out by others the FAA has not modernized their capabilities and not maintained an adequate staff.