Is LUV looking for a RJ partner?
12-03-2007, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by fosters
Personally I bet it has a lot more to do with the entire feed concept as a whole, with the big carriers using more and more RJ's on routes SWA serves. XJT doesn't compete with SWA on any routes that I'm aware of, to top it off they pull flights when SWA opens up routes that they are on.
12-03-2007, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by TXTECHKA
I jumpseated on a expressjet plane from Love Field to Houston yesterday. I would say that is pretty much direct competition even though it went to iah and SWA goes to Hobby.
XJT Branded doesn't compete with SWA on a head-to-head basis, so I doubt SWA would put all this marketing effort into trying to unseat XJT Branded flying, which is what some people think. I just don't believe they are a threat. I read somewhere that the XJT MEC has stated recently that with current oil prices, load factors in excess of 90% won't make money. Not good.
12-04-2007, 05:53 PM
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just to clear up the confusion: (not trying to be patronizing but maybe some people are confused) expressjet flies 205 airframes for continental, 21 for delta, and roughly 30 airframes under their own brand. xjt's routes on branded are extremely limited and their aircraft are painted like a tube of aqua fresh along with a green tail and large Expressjet written on the side of the aircraft. No green tail = not a branded flight. We have had to use our branded aircraft on Continental mainline routes due to a lack of coverage from Chautauqua but i don't think we have done so in the recent past.
with SWA pulling back expansion, their new pilot contract, and SWA's business model .... this rumor has a whole lot of holes in it. The biggest hole is going to be the reaction of SW's pilot group. Hopefully their management isn't aiming to sneak one buy them by letting them vote in a contract and then sneaking this code share through after the pilot group passes the contract. This doesn't sound like their management though.
with SWA pulling back expansion, their new pilot contract, and SWA's business model .... this rumor has a whole lot of holes in it. The biggest hole is going to be the reaction of SW's pilot group. Hopefully their management isn't aiming to sneak one buy them by letting them vote in a contract and then sneaking this code share through after the pilot group passes the contract. This doesn't sound like their management though.
12-04-2007, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by TXTECHKA
said expressjet on the engine
Your flight was CONTINENTAL competing with Southwest...XJT assumes no competitive risk for its CoEx flying.
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12-04-2007, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by fosters
Was this an Expressjet (branded) flight or a CAL Express flight? Big difference. XJT (branded) doesn't even fly DAL-IAH so my guess is it was under the CAL banner, which is what my point was. SWA is trying to downplay the use of RJ's used throughout the system as a whole, NOT specifically XJT's branded flights.
XJT Branded doesn't compete with SWA on a head-to-head basis, so I doubt SWA would put all this marketing effort into trying to unseat XJT Branded flying, which is what some people think. I just don't believe they are a threat. I read somewhere that the XJT MEC has stated recently that with current oil prices, load factors in excess of 90% won't make money. Not good.
XJT Branded doesn't compete with SWA on a head-to-head basis, so I doubt SWA would put all this marketing effort into trying to unseat XJT Branded flying, which is what some people think. I just don't believe they are a threat. I read somewhere that the XJT MEC has stated recently that with current oil prices, load factors in excess of 90% won't make money. Not good.
12-05-2007, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by HerkFCC
What kind of risks would Southwest face if they branched out with RJs? It seems that the old motto "if it ain't broke..."
It brings to mind some charter companies back in the day that attempted to branch out into the scheduled service arena and didn't fare so well; different game but just seemed relavent. Not saying it couldn't work, just a thought, that's all.
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It brings to mind some charter companies back in the day that attempted to branch out into the scheduled service arena and didn't fare so well; different game but just seemed relavent. Not saying it couldn't work, just a thought, that's all.
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Jet Blue did it. They had very low pay rates with the A-320 crews, and still they went with the E-190's. SWA was looking at 190's around the same time, but decided against them. Maybe they've had a change of heart. Even with their fuel 80% hedged around $55.00 a barrel next year, it's still more expensive that they're used to, and with major changes at the top coming soon, perhaps an opportunity for a change in direction at LUV is presenting itself as well.
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