How 'bout some scope relief? You do that, and I'll give you your ginormous raise and continue the only pension left in the industry.

 

Unfortunately, it doesn't matter how many regional pilots care about this...it's not a regional contract we're talking about but a mainline one.

 

back in 97 we had a contract proposal called the C scale. it didn't make it to the 97 contract. It was just a proposal. I remember seeing the pay proposal for the regional jets. 1st yr pay FO 40/hr 1st yr CA 70/hr to max 100/hr.

 

I really dont think the company will allow all flying to be done by one pilot group, their whole purpose is to pit pilot group against pilot group in a whipsaw to fight for flying whether it is AA/AE fighting, or AE/other regionals. If we all got along and were on the same list there would be no fighting and complete control by the pilot group for pay, benefits, etc. As said before, this isnt a priority or concern for 80% of the AA pilots, but it should be.

 

Sharky I think you are on the right track.

I hope that the AA pilots thought process is to preserve their own AA flying and not use the regional as a chip in bargaining.

I applaud the AA pilots if this is genuine.

 

I think you guys are forgetting that the proposal says all AA flying to be done by AA pilots. it does not say merging list with eagle. the eagle guys could be offered jobs at year 1 pay if AA wanted too, but it does not have to. AE can still be sold to an operator that will provide maintenance, flight attendants, dispatch, crew services, ground handling ...etc... but the pilots flying will be AA pilots. they don't have to be former AE pilots. there are a lot of qualified rj drivers out there that could be given a short course and would be happy to go fly and rj for AA. The cost of short course training would be offset by using computer home schooling for the initial and systems , short course in the sim, no pay during training and everyone at year 1 seniority pay.

While I see nothing wrong with the AA proposal as far as for protecting the profession is concerned ,and I think is a step in the right direction, it might mean unemployment for a lot of AE pilots, and / or a total loss of seniority, which is a very sad thing indeed.

 

Does it have anything to do with this??

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=15651

 

[QUOTE=greedyairlineexec;275484]I think you guys are forgetting that the proposal says all AA flying to be done by AA pilots. it does not say merging list with eagle. the eagle guys could be offered jobs at year 1 pay if AA wanted too, but it does not have to. AE can still be sold to an operator that will provide maintenance, flight attendants, dispatch, crew services, ground handling ...etc... but the pilots flying will be AA pilots. they don't have to be former AE pilots. there are a lot of qualified rj drivers out there that could be given a short course and would be happy to go fly and rj for AA. The cost of short course training would be offset by using computer home schooling for the initial and systems , short course in the sim, no pay during training and everyone at year 1 seniority pay.

While I see nothing wrong with the AA proposal as far as for protecting the profession is concerned ,and I think is a step in the right direction, it might mean unemployment for a lot of AE pilots, and / or a total loss of seniority, which is a very sad thing indeed.[/QUOTE]

As long as you get your's correct.
Your analysis of the computer based training and short course, I dont think so. No anyone who has done that? Besides, what says AMR does not file bankruptcy, what does APA do then? Remember, all AMR has to do to spin off AE is to transfer ownership to the current stockholders of AMR stock and AA in in bankruptcy all by itself, without AE.

But lets not forget who gave us all B-Scale, but it appears history is short with pilots these days and those who purport to be pilots.

 

Maybe APA meant that in the event of a merger, all flying will be done by APA pilots. I'm not an American pilot, but that would be a bigger threat to their career than RJs..........

 

The Eagle has landed.