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12-29-2007 | 04:41 AM
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One of the worst things that ever happened to this industry was the willingness of the unions in agreeing to the b-scale concept, no matter what their rationale.
If salary costs must be reduced (and that is a significant IF), then everyone on the property should be a "contributor", not just one portion of the seniority list.
JMHO.
If salary costs must be reduced (and that is a significant IF), then everyone on the property should be a "contributor", not just one portion of the seniority list.
JMHO.
12-29-2007 | 06:41 AM
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The B-scale was the beginning...
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True. The B-scale laid an egg of disunity, which later hatched into pension-dumping, which clearly led to the "age 65" rule. Avoiding it (after the AMR pilots caved), would probably have required a strike, because our management was positively irrational on the subject. They rejected an offer of equivalent savings contributed by all pilots, reportedly saying: "No, it has to be a B-scale, and we won't hire until we get one, even if it is in our interest to do so!"
One of the worst things that ever happened to this industry was the willingness of the unions in agreeing to the b-scale concept, no matter what their rationale.
If salary costs must be reduced (and that is a significant IF), then everyone on the property should be a "contributor", not just one portion of the seniority list.
JMHO.
If salary costs must be reduced (and that is a significant IF), then everyone on the property should be a "contributor", not just one portion of the seniority list.
JMHO.
True. The B-scale laid an egg of disunity, which later hatched into pension-dumping, which clearly led to the "age 65" rule. Avoiding it (after the AMR pilots caved), would probably have required a strike, because our management was positively irrational on the subject. They rejected an offer of equivalent savings contributed by all pilots, reportedly saying: "No, it has to be a B-scale, and we won't hire until we get one, even if it is in our interest to do so!"
12-29-2007 | 06:48 AM
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True. The B-scale laid an egg of disunity, which later hatched into pension-dumping, which clearly led to the "age 65" rule. Avoiding it (after the AMR pilots caved), would probably have required a strike, because our management was positively irrational on the subject. They rejected an offer of equivalent savings contributed by all pilots, reportedly saying: "No, it has to be a B-scale, and we won't hire until we get one, even if it is in our interest to do so!"
What you stated about management's desire for a b-scale mirrors the way United management felt. A clear case of monkey see, monkey do.
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12-29-2007 | 08:21 AM
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The losses to the career since AIRCONs inception are remarkable yet many pilots don't have a clue what hit them. Just as AIRCON would like to have it.
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12-29-2007 | 08:39 AM
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Labor recognizes the need for unity. What labor doesn't recognize is management(s) of the various airlines are very unified. It's not monkey see monkey do. It's a decision they made under AIRCON and executed among the membership.
The losses to the career since AIRCONs inception are remarkable yet many pilots don't have a clue what hit them. Just as AIRCON would like to have it.
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The losses to the career since AIRCONs inception are remarkable yet many pilots don't have a clue what hit them. Just as AIRCON would like to have it.
www.aircon.org
100% agreement.
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