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Bucking Bar 02-07-2008 02:45 PM

Texas - free markets risk turning into monopolies. The United States implemented Anti Trust laws to ensure competition.

nwaf16dude 02-07-2008 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 316194)
Exactly. Like Goodman wrote, there is a TON of wiggle room. Just pick the excuse (oil, economy, health crisis) and the job cuts planned in advance will be executed without recourse, or remorse.

Besides, NWA's business is not trending in the right directions. Has anyone considered that this merger could be VERY BAD for Delta's future?


Northwest had a 12% profit margin in the third quarter, which was almost double the next closest airline. They essentially broke even last quarter, which is always a slow quarter, even with 100 dollar oil. Yeah, we're not growing much, if any, but those numbers don't support your statement.

johnso29 02-07-2008 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 316194)
Exactly. Like Goodman wrote, there is a TON of wiggle room. Just pick the excuse (oil, economy, health crisis) and the job cuts planned in advance will be executed without recourse, or remorse.

Besides, NWA's business is not trending in the right directions. Has anyone considered that this merger could be VERY BAD for Delta's future?

I'm pretty sure NW had a larger profit margin than DL last year, so I don't know how their business is trending in the wrong direction. They are updating their fleet, just like DL. Those A330s aren't old.

Everyone is listening to wall street a little too much. If this happens, it happens and we as pilots will have to deal with it.

Bucking Bar 02-07-2008 04:43 PM

NWAF16,

Growth has its' costs. 17 Boeing 757's, payments on the 777's and 737's ate into DL's bottom line. Delta is not "updating it's fleet," this is growth.

NWA's numbers were good in the 3RD QTR, but other numbers indicate it is not sustainable. Delta is growing RPM's, Revenues and Load Factors concomittantly. Obviously Delta's "sweet spot" in growth is still ahead of it.


Jan 19, 2008 (Pioneer Press - McClatchy-Tribune Information Services via COMTEX) -- NWA | news | PowerRating | PR Charts -- After decades as a mainstay of Northwest Airlines' fleet, the DC9 will be phased out this year.

In a note to pilots this week, the Eagan-based carrier said it will operate 68 DC9s by the end of 2008, which means parking about a third of the 103 it was flying as recently as last summer.

Fleet changes: Northwest Airlines overhaul would ship out older freighters (NORTH AMERICA)


Northwest Airlines, alone among the major U.S. passenger airlines, operates a sizable freighter fleet and plans to stay in that business. But the bankrupt carrier also has a problem that will only grow worse over time.

Its freighter fleet includes several older 747-200s that airlines around the world are finding too costly to operate.

Northwest's fleet of DC-9s is expected to drop from 92 in 2007 to 68 by the end of this year.

The airline is accelerating the removal of the DC-9s from its fleet. Ten months ago management intended to keep 78 of them through this year.

Northwest also will take three 747-200s out of operation this year.

NEW YORK - Northwest Airlines Corp. must slash costs and cut debt to attract the investors it needs to finance $10 billion to $11 billion of new planes it plans to buy over the next decade,

"The fleet is economically unviable in its current state" given high fuel prices, said Luth. He added that the carrier "has a big nut to tackle here on its fleet renewal program."

TBoneF15 02-07-2008 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 316280)
...concomittantly...

Wow. That's a good word. I had to look it up.

newKnow 02-07-2008 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 316194)
Exactly. Like Goodman wrote, there is a TON of wiggle room. Just pick the excuse (oil, economy, health crisis) and the job cuts planned in advance will be executed without recourse, or remorse.

Besides, NWA's business is not trending in the right directions. Has anyone considered that this merger could be VERY BAD for Delta's future?

Bar,

As I said before, I'm not one to defend NWA because they have ****ed me off in the past. But, you are not one to support DAL because you keep passing off bad information.

Besides American, NWA has the most cash on hand of all the Legacy carriers. Also,if you listen to the experts, there was the real possibility that NWA was looking to buy DAL. I don't think that will happen, but take it for what it's worth.

Also, in the past 9 months NWA has found enough money to buy 36 airplanes for twon different companies (36 for Compass and 36 for Mesaba). They have also bought 49% of another airline (Midwest Express). So, obviously they are not broke and they are not letting the paycuts we took sit in the bank.

DAL lost over $60 million last quarter and NWA lost $8 million. Like I said, I'm not here to defend NWA. But dude, get your facts straight. It's not quite hell over here and NWA is not about to fold or drag anyone down in a handbasket.

Just relax and see what happens. Because I guarantee you no one is listening to me as a 13 year pilot at NWA and certainly no one is listening to you as a 1 year DAL pilot. If it goes down, it goes down, no matter what we say. As they say; "scream all you want, no one is listening." ;)

New K Now

nwaf16dude 02-07-2008 04:48 PM

Whatever dude. One thing that I'm sure about is that it doesn't matter what I think.

newKnow 02-07-2008 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 316280)
NWAF16,
I have NO URGE TO MERGE. Lets let the marketplace decide. Why buy what you can take?

Bar,

You have been there for less than a year and all of a sudden you think that you are DAL and know what DAL should do? Soon you will realize that you are the same pawn that the rest of us are. Just go along for the ride, go to work, cash your checks and pay the bills. If you want to change things, run for President. :rolleyes:

johnso29 02-07-2008 04:54 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 316280)
I have NO URGE TO MERGE. Lets let the marketplace decide. Why buy what you can take?

Don't really know how DL is just going to "take" the market. Kinda hard for anybody to do it when the airlines just slash each others throats with these ridiculously low prices.

I can't believe you went to Delta thinking it was going to perfect the whole time you were there. Did you think your entire time there was going to be just cute fluffy bunnies? History has shown you will not make it through this career without bumps and disappointments. If this happens, then it happens. You'll just have to deal with it.

Bucking Bar 02-07-2008 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 316284)
Bar,

Also, in the past 9 months NWA has found enough money to buy 36 airplanes for twon different companies (36 for Compass and 36 for Mesaba). They have also bought 49% of another airline (Midwest Express). So, obviously they are not broke and they are not letting the paycuts we took sit in the bank.

Just relax and see what happens. Because I guarantee you no one is listening to me as a 13 year pilot at NWA and certainly no one is listening to you as a 1 year DAL pilot. If it goes down, it goes down, no matter what we say. As they say; "scream all you want, no one is listening." ;)

New K Now

Sure, no one is listening. You are correct, but I thought the reasons forums exist was to share news and opinion. Thanks for posting good information.


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