Southwest Airlines Article from CNN
03-07-2008, 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by paxhauler85
Just making a point that those who don't know their butt from third base shouldn't post on any airline thread.
Every CA I fly with leaves the choice up to me, when there is a choice involved.
The "soon" thing will not be applicable here in another month.
Every CA I fly with leaves the choice up to me, when there is a choice involved.
The "soon" thing will not be applicable here in another month.
so do you wear one 3 stripe epaulet and one 4 stripe?
03-07-2008, 08:11 AM
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I agree with Eric Stratton. I could not have said it better. Not fun flying with guys like that, an FO who thinks he is wearing one 3 stripe and one 4 stripe. We had a couple like that who were asked to resign.
Last time I checked CA taxies the aircraft and the ground controller tells you where to go, NOT some FO who thinks he knows everything.
Last time I checked CA taxies the aircraft and the ground controller tells you where to go, NOT some FO who thinks he knows everything.
03-07-2008, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by paxhauler85
Just making a point that those who don't know their butt from third base shouldn't post on any airline thread.
Every CA I fly with leaves the choice up to me, when there is a choice involved.
The "soon" thing will not be applicable here in another month.
Every CA I fly with leaves the choice up to me, when there is a choice involved.
The "soon" thing will not be applicable here in another month.
You don't tell others not to post on here or not. Not up to you.
03-07-2008, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by LuvJockey
I'm sure some are happy to see a negative article on SWA, because most probably believe that a black eye for SWA will help their own company. Here's some food for thought, though -
This inspection error was discovered and disclosed by SWA last March, and was resolved within days. Rumor so far here is that SWA asked the FAA for permission to fly the aircraft for the approx 7 days until all aircraft could be inspected, and the FAA agreed. The issue that the Senate hearing is now going to be FAA oversight of airlines (specifically SWA in this case) and if the FAA has been effective, as well as if SWA has gotten some type of preferential treatment at the expense of the safety of passengers. The FAA had considered the matter settled, but yesterday announced a proposed fine of 3 million, soon followed by a proposed fine of 10 million to show that they're not being too easy on SWA.
The question is, how can they tell if SWA has been given preferential treatment if they don't bring up the behind-the-doors actions against other airlines and make them public? Sure, there could be a congressional hearing, but I wouldn't be wishing for one no matter who I worked for. Nothing like politicians in the media spotlight to try to scare the crap out of the public, but don't expect that spotlight to be solely on your competitor. In the mean time, go ahead and enjoy the stumble of a competitor.
This inspection error was discovered and disclosed by SWA last March, and was resolved within days. Rumor so far here is that SWA asked the FAA for permission to fly the aircraft for the approx 7 days until all aircraft could be inspected, and the FAA agreed. The issue that the Senate hearing is now going to be FAA oversight of airlines (specifically SWA in this case) and if the FAA has been effective, as well as if SWA has gotten some type of preferential treatment at the expense of the safety of passengers. The FAA had considered the matter settled, but yesterday announced a proposed fine of 3 million, soon followed by a proposed fine of 10 million to show that they're not being too easy on SWA.
The question is, how can they tell if SWA has been given preferential treatment if they don't bring up the behind-the-doors actions against other airlines and make them public? Sure, there could be a congressional hearing, but I wouldn't be wishing for one no matter who I worked for. Nothing like politicians in the media spotlight to try to scare the crap out of the public, but don't expect that spotlight to be solely on your competitor. In the mean time, go ahead and enjoy the stumble of a competitor.
Let me first say that I am a huge fan of SWA. I love the business plan, the product, the way they treat their employees. That being said, I'm affraid that pointing the finger at other airlines is not going to cut it.
SWA screwed up! Plain and simple. There's no evidence (at this time) that anyone else benefited from the extensions other than SWA. They knew what they were doing.
I can assure you 99% of the folks here (myself included) wish SWA folks nothing but the best, but you can't honestly come on here and disregard the fact that SWA flew some of their aircraft illegally and unsafely.
03-07-2008, 01:13 PM
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I think its deplorable that this occured but....
...somebody may have already touched on it but I can't wait to hear the "I'll never fly SWA again." ........
....Until I need to fly somewhere. crap
...somebody may have already touched on it but I can't wait to hear the "I'll never fly SWA again." ........
....Until I need to fly somewhere. crap
03-07-2008, 02:07 PM
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Its quite sad that DQC in the maintenance side of the house could let this happen to an excellent carrier such as SWA. One airplane slipping through the cracks (pardon the expression) but 46 aircraft??? The crews of SWA should be up in arms over this situation. The crews and passengers could have been possible victims. One can only imagine what else was overlooked or mx items pencile whipped.
03-07-2008, 05:03 PM
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"Dear Rapid Rewards Member:
Southwest Airlines: We take Safety Seriously
You may have heard that Southwest Airlines was fined by the FAA regarding recent aircraft inspections. First and foremost, we want to assure you this was never and is not a safety of flight issue.
From our inception, Southwest Airlines has maintained a rigorous Culture of Safety—and has maintained that same dedication for more than 37 years. It is and always has been our number one priority to ensure the Safety of every Southwest Customer and Employee. “We’ve got a 37-year history of very safe operations, one of the safest operations in the world, and we’re safer today than we’ve ever been,” said Southwest CEO Gary Kelly.
Receipt of the FAA letter of penalty gives us the chance to present the facts which we feel will support our actions taken in March 2007. The FAA penalty is related to one of many routine inspections on our aircraft fleet involving an extremely small area in one of the many overlapping inspections. These inspections were designed to detect early signs of skin cracking.
Southwest Airlines discovered the missed inspection area, disclosed it to the FAA, and promptly reinspected all potentially affected aircraft in March 2007. The FAA approved our actions and considered the matter closed as of April 2007.
The Boeing Company has stated its support of Southwest's aggressive compliance plan. Southwest acted responsibly and the safety of the fleet was not compromised, Boeing said.
Former National Transportation Safety Board Inspector-in-Charge Greg Feith said after a review of the available data and information that it’s apparent that there was no risk to the flying public in March 2007 while Southwest Airlines performed their program to re-inspect the small area of aircraft fuselages identified.
Southwest consistently maintains a Leadership role in developing maintenance programs for the Boeing 737 aircraft.
As always, we commit to keeping you informed. Please check southwest.com for periodic updates."
Southwest Airlines: We take Safety Seriously
You may have heard that Southwest Airlines was fined by the FAA regarding recent aircraft inspections. First and foremost, we want to assure you this was never and is not a safety of flight issue.
From our inception, Southwest Airlines has maintained a rigorous Culture of Safety—and has maintained that same dedication for more than 37 years. It is and always has been our number one priority to ensure the Safety of every Southwest Customer and Employee. “We’ve got a 37-year history of very safe operations, one of the safest operations in the world, and we’re safer today than we’ve ever been,” said Southwest CEO Gary Kelly.
Receipt of the FAA letter of penalty gives us the chance to present the facts which we feel will support our actions taken in March 2007. The FAA penalty is related to one of many routine inspections on our aircraft fleet involving an extremely small area in one of the many overlapping inspections. These inspections were designed to detect early signs of skin cracking.
Southwest Airlines discovered the missed inspection area, disclosed it to the FAA, and promptly reinspected all potentially affected aircraft in March 2007. The FAA approved our actions and considered the matter closed as of April 2007.
The Boeing Company has stated its support of Southwest's aggressive compliance plan. Southwest acted responsibly and the safety of the fleet was not compromised, Boeing said.
Former National Transportation Safety Board Inspector-in-Charge Greg Feith said after a review of the available data and information that it’s apparent that there was no risk to the flying public in March 2007 while Southwest Airlines performed their program to re-inspect the small area of aircraft fuselages identified.
Southwest consistently maintains a Leadership role in developing maintenance programs for the Boeing 737 aircraft.
As always, we commit to keeping you informed. Please check southwest.com for periodic updates."
03-07-2008, 08:14 PM
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First and foremost, we want to assure you this was never and is not a safety of flight issue.
I realize that's what they have to tell the flying public, but it still doesn't change the fact. I guess since non of the airplanes lost their rudders, "safety" was never compromised!?!?!?!?!
I love SWA, but they really screwed the pootch on this one.
03-07-2008, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyboyrw
"Dear Rapid Rewards Member:
Southwest Airlines: We take Safety Seriously
You may have heard that Southwest Airlines was fined by the FAA regarding recent aircraft inspections. First and foremost, we want to assure you this was never and is not a safety of flight issue.
From our inception, Southwest Airlines has maintained a rigorous Culture of Safety—and has maintained that same dedication for more than 37 years. It is and always has been our number one priority to ensure the Safety of every Southwest Customer and Employee. “We’ve got a 37-year history of very safe operations, one of the safest operations in the world, and we’re safer today than we’ve ever been,” said Southwest CEO Gary Kelly.
Receipt of the FAA letter of penalty gives us the chance to present the facts which we feel will support our actions taken in March 2007. The FAA penalty is related to one of many routine inspections on our aircraft fleet involving an extremely small area in one of the many overlapping inspections. These inspections were designed to detect early signs of skin cracking.
Southwest Airlines discovered the missed inspection area, disclosed it to the FAA, and promptly reinspected all potentially affected aircraft in March 2007. The FAA approved our actions and considered the matter closed as of April 2007.
The Boeing Company has stated its support of Southwest's aggressive compliance plan. Southwest acted responsibly and the safety of the fleet was not compromised, Boeing said.
Former National Transportation Safety Board Inspector-in-Charge Greg Feith said after a review of the available data and information that it’s apparent that there was no risk to the flying public in March 2007 while Southwest Airlines performed their program to re-inspect the small area of aircraft fuselages identified.
Southwest consistently maintains a Leadership role in developing maintenance programs for the Boeing 737 aircraft.
As always, we commit to keeping you informed. Please check southwest.com for periodic updates."
Southwest Airlines: We take Safety Seriously
You may have heard that Southwest Airlines was fined by the FAA regarding recent aircraft inspections. First and foremost, we want to assure you this was never and is not a safety of flight issue.
From our inception, Southwest Airlines has maintained a rigorous Culture of Safety—and has maintained that same dedication for more than 37 years. It is and always has been our number one priority to ensure the Safety of every Southwest Customer and Employee. “We’ve got a 37-year history of very safe operations, one of the safest operations in the world, and we’re safer today than we’ve ever been,” said Southwest CEO Gary Kelly.
Receipt of the FAA letter of penalty gives us the chance to present the facts which we feel will support our actions taken in March 2007. The FAA penalty is related to one of many routine inspections on our aircraft fleet involving an extremely small area in one of the many overlapping inspections. These inspections were designed to detect early signs of skin cracking.
Southwest Airlines discovered the missed inspection area, disclosed it to the FAA, and promptly reinspected all potentially affected aircraft in March 2007. The FAA approved our actions and considered the matter closed as of April 2007.
The Boeing Company has stated its support of Southwest's aggressive compliance plan. Southwest acted responsibly and the safety of the fleet was not compromised, Boeing said.
Former National Transportation Safety Board Inspector-in-Charge Greg Feith said after a review of the available data and information that it’s apparent that there was no risk to the flying public in March 2007 while Southwest Airlines performed their program to re-inspect the small area of aircraft fuselages identified.
Southwest consistently maintains a Leadership role in developing maintenance programs for the Boeing 737 aircraft.
As always, we commit to keeping you informed. Please check southwest.com for periodic updates."
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