mulcher

I think its because a Stybus driver said the pay will not change for the three years of the contract. So $65,00 for a three CA on an Airbus. That my friends is PATHETIC! I feel real sorry for the three year FO's. But hey atleast they get to go to Costco, to buy water for the company on their off time. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!

CE750

World Airways, Kalita, Miami Air, and USA3000 don't fly big planes?

UBA727

I guess in your opinion if someone gets the offer from the likes of Pinnacle and Skybus, then one must take the lower pay at Pinnacle because that is the right thing to do. WOW. Now that is Pathetic. I expected more from someone at LUV but like you said, you would of never worked at LUV back when it got started with what they were paying. Some people just like the easy life and the benefit from the sweat of others. Again I will say this at Miami Air, third year pay as an F/O on the Boeing 737NG is under $40,000.00 a year upgrade time is 4 to 5 years and you have to back to year 1 pay once you upgrade and I have seen no one here ever go after their pilots. Xtra Airways very similar so is Champion, I can go on and on naming different companies but it is of no use, also two of those 3 companies I mentioned have Unions and have been around for years. So instead of bashing to make your selves feel better, just give this guys a chance, they might surprise you, they might not, is their lives not yours, maybe they can't do any better so what are they supposed to do? uba727

CE750

I think it's the latter, not the former.. most guys I know want the best for SX, but not on their backs.. they want to be valued, and that is for the most part the culture at SX, but there have been some minor missteps and now I think the frustration of longer upgrades and a staggering economy have put the pilots in a similar position to the company, which is to say.. "Cash" is tight! We have very good pilot managers here, the DO, the CP and others in the "operations" end are genuinely good people wishing the best for all, but as with all things relating to corporate culture today, and the world of the hedge fund managers, the squeeze is extremely tight to produce NOW!

I would say the worse foe for the long term success to SX isn't the union, but the desire for the board to get them to turn a profit no matter what by Spring/Summer, irrespective of what the economic conditions are. This is as bad, if not worse than demanding higher wages.. The company is being squeezed by both sizes now.. the investor (represented by the board), and the worker.

I remain very hopeful.

erichartmann

My total annual compensation (including benefits) last year at ABX under the IBT contract was over $300,000. We don't have trip and duty rigs, but our guarantee is really short hand for "salary" i.e. I will always make my guarantee regardless of how many hard hours I fly. I get 15 day off per month (14 if on reserve) unless I bid open time or am "junior manned". If I work on a day off, any day off, my minimum pay is 4.5 hours per day. If the scheduled or actual fight time is greater (per day) I get paid that. If I am "junior manned" and taken below 13 days off in the month the company has to restore my day(s) off and pay me. If I lose my medical I get 66.6% of my base salary for the first two years, which I can supplement with accrued vacation time/sick time up to my base guarantee. I continue to accrue both vacation time and sick time while on disablity. After the first two years the insurance disability payment drops to 50%, but I can continue to supplement with both vacation and sick days to reach my base. The insurance pays for retraining/schooling for another profession if I can't get my medical back. Once I get a new job I can continue to collect disability until I exceed my base salary.

CE750

You hiring?

PCL_128

That's all well and good, but your total contract package doesn't come close to comparing to the ALPA contract at FedEx, which is what I said in my post.

PCL_128

Four carriers don't make "many" in my mind. And none of those carriers have anything even remotely comparing to ALPA negotiated agreements.

Spaceman Spliff

Possibly they don't pay "anything even remotely comparing to ALPA" dues as well.

PCL_128

Most of them aren't much different. I actually pay more in dues as an NPA member than I did as an ALPA member. And it's definitely not worth it.