109 dollar oil!
#31
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I know one of McCain's sons is a pilot for AMR, yet he despises pilots, and unions.
(sorry for the thread drift).
#32
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This is such a bogus argument. People don't fill their cars up with lattes to drive to work, nor do they fill up with water to drive to work either. They don't use a gallon of sunscreen at $85 either. They use GAS. Comparing gas to milk, water and lattes is just ridiculous. 

#33
One could also argue that speculators are driving the price ever higher right now simply because there haven't really been many other viable investments lately. With the exception of today, the stock market has pretty much been tanking lately. I would expect the price of oil to back off, at least somewhat, once the economy gets back on track.
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How about enacting strict laws that forbid idling vehicles. We have all seen all the hotel shuttle vans around airports that just sit there idling their engines, wasting fuel, and polluting the air. Funny how I step off the plane in Frankfurt, for example, and NOT ONE taxi is idling with his engine on! Not one!
Its time to change habits and stop wasting!
Its time to change habits and stop wasting!
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I don't think it's difficult to see that the author is suggesting that Americans need to make a choice in the name of fiscal responsibility: buy a latte, or buy a gallon of gas? Since lattes are (more or less) luxury goods, and transportation is (more or less) a basic necessity, you can see where he's going with it. The argument in this context is certainly food for thought.
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How about enacting strict laws that forbid idling vehicles. We have all seen all the hotel shuttle vans around airports that just sit there idling their engines, wasting fuel, and polluting the air. Funny how I step off the plane in Frankfurt, for example, and NOT ONE taxi is idling with his engine on! Not one!
Its time to change habits and stop wasting!
Its time to change habits and stop wasting!
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I dont think you can compare an aircraft waiting for takeoff, which is contantly moving toward the runway, to a shuttle van, car, or taxi, that is parked idling for 10, 20, or 30 minutes waiting to pick someone up. However, Branson has suggested using tugs to tow an aircraft to the departure end of the runway to save on fuel. Maybe he is on to something...
Yes there are definately things we can do to improve efficiency in the ATC enviroment, but lets start with easier, more effective solutions now.
Yes there are definately things we can do to improve efficiency in the ATC enviroment, but lets start with easier, more effective solutions now.
#38
One could also argue that speculators are driving the price ever higher right now simply because there haven't really been many other viable investments lately. With the exception of today, the stock market has pretty much been tanking lately. I would expect the price of oil to back off, at least somewhat, once the economy gets back on track.
#39
I think a lot of people are missing the real issue - the dollar is in a death spiral right now.
Supply & Demand don't tell the whole story. Politicians talk about reducing demand, and sure, that's valid. Others talk about OPEC and the US Oil industry capping production, and that's also valid.
But look at the price of commodities - anything from wheat to gold to oil has more than doubled in price (in dollars), but if you look at the value of the same things in Euro, they've been fairly stable.
The subprime mortgage ship has sunk, so stop trying to save it by lowering interest rates and in doing so destroying the rest of the economy. And the plan to give everyone $1000 (or whatever the current planned economy-boosting tax rebate is) is ludicrous. Wise people will use it to save or invest, but that same "subprime" faction of our society will probably go out and buy another plasma TV.
Supply & Demand don't tell the whole story. Politicians talk about reducing demand, and sure, that's valid. Others talk about OPEC and the US Oil industry capping production, and that's also valid.
But look at the price of commodities - anything from wheat to gold to oil has more than doubled in price (in dollars), but if you look at the value of the same things in Euro, they've been fairly stable.
The subprime mortgage ship has sunk, so stop trying to save it by lowering interest rates and in doing so destroying the rest of the economy. And the plan to give everyone $1000 (or whatever the current planned economy-boosting tax rebate is) is ludicrous. Wise people will use it to save or invest, but that same "subprime" faction of our society will probably go out and buy another plasma TV.
#40
[quote=waflyboy;338617]I wonder how many barrels of oil it will take to produce that many new hybrid cars.
The same amount it would take to create the same number of conventional cars which are goingto be built anyway. This argument doesn't work because the cars are still going to be built. They are to replace conventional cars not supplement.
The same amount it would take to create the same number of conventional cars which are goingto be built anyway. This argument doesn't work because the cars are still going to be built. They are to replace conventional cars not supplement.
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