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Old 03-12-2008 | 04:38 AM
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Heck, we takeoff to the south in ATL and are climbing through 10,000' before we get turned around to head north back to EWR. Figured in the 737 we'd already burned almost $1200 in fuel just to get going the right way. What a waste.
Means less handling for the controllers, this way they can treat every departure the same. Keeps everyone in a corridor.
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Old 03-12-2008 | 05:10 AM
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I wonder how many barrels of oil it will take to produce that many new hybrid cars.

The same amount it would take to create the same number of conventional cars which are goingto be built anyway. This argument doesn't work because the cars are still going to be built. They are to replace conventional cars not supplement.
I wonder how many ppl will get killed driving these hybrids? Anyone seen crash test involving hybrids?Bus vs hybrid hmmmmmmmmmmm i wonder who wins that?Besides those cars are damn ugly kind of like the 380.



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Old 03-12-2008 | 06:19 AM
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I wonder how many ppl will get killed driving these hybrids? Anyone seen crash test involving hybrids?Bus vs hybrid hmmmmmmmmmmm i wonder who wins that?Besides those cars are damn ugly kind of like the 380.



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I don't know if you are kidding or just ignorant. Try reading a little about the subject before you post and make yourself look dumb. Most hybrids are actually traditional production model vehicles which simply have different engine setups and drive trains.

All vehicles still have to live up to Federal Highway Safety Standards. Too bad this obtuse line of thinking is one reason people buy their huge SUVs when they do not all really need a vehicle so huge. Maybe they like getting 12 mpg as opposed to 40.

But think about this, in a supply and demand world. One where demand is driving the price ever higher, does it not make sense that a decrease in demand I.E. a higher mileage vehicle (hybrid or conventional) would help with demand going down? Thereby at least slowing the price increase.
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Old 03-12-2008 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by 402DRVR
All vehicles still have to live up to Federal Highway Safety Standards. Too bad this obtuse line of thinking is one reason people buy their huge SUVs when they do not all really need a vehicle so huge. Maybe they like getting 12 mpg as opposed to 40.
Who are you to make a determination as to what people should be driving? I own a large pick-up truck that I drive around. Do I need something that big? No. Do I want something that big? Yes.

A lot of the time it has to do more with want versus need. My truck gets 15 mpg, but it's also paid for. Even with gas prices hovering around $4.00 per gallon, it is still much more economical for me to keep my truck than it is to buy something newer with better gas mileage.

Besides, I have no interest in purchasing a hybrid.
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Old 03-12-2008 | 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by f10a
I dont think you can compare an aircraft waiting for takeoff, which is contantly moving toward the runway, to a shuttle van, car, or taxi, that is parked idling for 10, 20, or 30 minutes waiting to pick someone up. However, Branson has suggested using tugs to tow an aircraft to the departure end of the runway to save on fuel. Maybe he is on to something...

Yes there are definately things we can do to improve efficiency in the ATC enviroment, but lets start with easier, more effective solutions now.
Maybe he is on to something...
Or on something.
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Old 03-12-2008 | 08:26 AM
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Who are you to make a determination as to what people should be driving? I own a large pick-up truck that I drive around. Do I need something that big? No. Do I want something that big? Yes.

A lot of the time it has to do more with want versus need. My truck gets 15 mpg, but it's also paid for. Even with gas prices hovering around $4.00 per gallon, it is still much more economical for me to keep my truck than it is to buy something newer with better gas mileage.

Besides, I have no interest in purchasing a hybrid.

Actually I am not trying to tell you what you should or should not drive. I am simply presenting an alternative. You could also say the same for me I don't need to drive, I want to. I could ride my bicycle everywhere and burn no gas at all. Bottom line we are going to have to change the way we think and what we want. If you are happy paying so much for gas then knock yourself out. But, you have to accept that so many people wanting to guzzle gas only drives demand higher and higher. So either America changes or quits its wining about high gas prices. Unfortunately the me, me , me attitude that runs rampant in our society is going to put us in a real bad situation here real soon.

I can afford $4.00 gas. I can even afford the cost of heating my house for now. But how many people out there are not as well off as a lot of the people posting here? Sooner or later we either change or a lot of people are going to suffer.
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Old 03-12-2008 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Led Zep
Who are you to make a determination as to what people should be driving? I own a large pick-up truck that I drive around. Do I need something that big? No. Do I want something that big? Yes.

A lot of the time it has to do more with want versus need. My truck gets 15 mpg, but it's also paid for. Even with gas prices hovering around $4.00 per gallon, it is still much more economical for me to keep my truck than it is to buy something newer with better gas mileage.

Besides, I have no interest in purchasing a hybrid.

If it is more economical to keep your truck go for it. Our other vehicle is a pick-up. I use it and the attributes it has quite frequently. I am not about to simply sell it and buy another hybrid just for the sake of buying a hybrid car and I do not propse that you do the same. I do however, think people could educate themselves and think about their next purchase when that time comes.

Make the best economic decision for yourself. Obviously high gas prices are nothing compared to a brand new car payment. But at some time I will have to replace my truck and when that time comes I will at least consider my genuine needs compared to the economics of paying a lot for gas and getting a mileage I can live with.
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Old 03-12-2008 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 402DRVR
I could ride my bicycle everywhere and burn no gas at all.
If our infrastructure were more bicycle friendly I would do it in a heartbeat. Unfortunately a lot of city planners consider the shoulder of a busy highway to suffice as as a bike path.

Oil is expensive. Calories are cheap and in far greater supply.
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Old 03-12-2008 | 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Led Zep
If our infrastructure were more bicycle friendly I would do it in a heartbeat. Unfortunately a lot of city planners consider the shoulder of a busy highway to suffice as as a bike path.

Oil is expensive. Calories are cheap and in far greater supply.

I don't think we really disagree but using your earlier argument who has the right to tell me what to do with my many excess calories?
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Old 03-12-2008 | 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 402DRVR
I don't think we really disagree but using your earlier argument who has the right to tell me what to do with my many excess calories?
Good point!
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