Furloughes at American
05-24-2008 | 01:07 PM
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Good luck AA folks.
05-24-2008 | 01:40 PM
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Thanks Flyer for the info.
One more question, we see/heard/read the MD, opps, Super-80 is being parked because it is a gas guzzler and possibly because it is near the end of it's useful life and the recent FAA debacle with the wiring harnesses.
Here's my question, asked in kind of an oblique fashion:
The MD80 burns about 6,000 lbs in cruise vs just over 5000 for the 737, and holds a few less bodies. The MD80 has a hard time getting above 33,000 feet unless near empty, and 37,000 feet is a rarety, thus higher fuel flows. I see the argument that way, but my question is, how cheap are they to operate otherwise (maint/insurance/landing fees/lease fees) vs the 737.
Just curious if the extra 1,000 lbs per hour at cruise is offset by other factors...thanks in advance.
FF
One more question, we see/heard/read the MD, opps, Super-80 is being parked because it is a gas guzzler and possibly because it is near the end of it's useful life and the recent FAA debacle with the wiring harnesses.
Here's my question, asked in kind of an oblique fashion:
The MD80 burns about 6,000 lbs in cruise vs just over 5000 for the 737, and holds a few less bodies. The MD80 has a hard time getting above 33,000 feet unless near empty, and 37,000 feet is a rarety, thus higher fuel flows. I see the argument that way, but my question is, how cheap are they to operate otherwise (maint/insurance/landing fees/lease fees) vs the 737.
Just curious if the extra 1,000 lbs per hour at cruise is offset by other factors...thanks in advance.
FF
05-24-2008 | 02:32 PM
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Thanks Flyer for the info.
One more question, we see/heard/read the MD, opps, Super-80 is being parked because it is a gas guzzler and possibly because it is near the end of it's useful life and the recent FAA debacle with the wiring harnesses.
Here's my question, asked in kind of an oblique fashion:
The MD80 burns about 6,000 lbs in cruise vs just over 5000 for the 737, and holds a few less bodies. The MD80 has a hard time getting above 33,000 feet unless near empty, and 37,000 feet is a rarety, thus higher fuel flows. I see the argument that way, but my question is, how cheap are they to operate otherwise (maint/insurance/landing fees/lease fees) vs the 737.
Just curious if the extra 1,000 lbs per hour at cruise is offset by other factors...thanks in advance.
FF
One more question, we see/heard/read the MD, opps, Super-80 is being parked because it is a gas guzzler and possibly because it is near the end of it's useful life and the recent FAA debacle with the wiring harnesses.
Here's my question, asked in kind of an oblique fashion:
The MD80 burns about 6,000 lbs in cruise vs just over 5000 for the 737, and holds a few less bodies. The MD80 has a hard time getting above 33,000 feet unless near empty, and 37,000 feet is a rarety, thus higher fuel flows. I see the argument that way, but my question is, how cheap are they to operate otherwise (maint/insurance/landing fees/lease fees) vs the 737.
Just curious if the extra 1,000 lbs per hour at cruise is offset by other factors...thanks in advance.
FF
I am headed out for the night, however I too was curious about the questioned you mentioned. Give me a day to find the answer, I have seen it explained. Over a certain $ amount in the cost of oil, the 737 becomes a bargain.
AAflyer
I remember from my 80 days the burn being a little higher, and yes, less people, and less cargo.
While the 1000-1300 lbs per hour seems marginal, imagine that at 9-11 hours a day over a fleet of 270+...
Yikes!
05-25-2008 | 04:43 AM
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Can you name one aircraft on the drawing board in the 150 to 170 seat range that will be available in the next 10 years that is more fuel efficient then the 737-800? Boeing themselves just said they don't have the technology to build a jet with the 20% increase in efficiency they say they need to launch a new aircraft and have put off a replacement until at least 2018 and more likely the early 20's. Airbus has made the same choice.
05-25-2008 | 05:58 AM
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Thanks Flyer for the info.
One more question, we see/heard/read the MD, opps, Super-80 is being parked because it is a gas guzzler and possibly because it is near the end of it's useful life and the recent FAA debacle with the wiring harnesses.
Here's my question, asked in kind of an oblique fashion:
The MD80 burns about 6,000 lbs in cruise vs just over 5000 for the 737, and holds a few less bodies. The MD80 has a hard time getting above 33,000 feet unless near empty, and 37,000 feet is a rarety, thus higher fuel flows. I see the argument that way, but my question is, how cheap are they to operate otherwise (maint/insurance/landing fees/lease fees) vs the 737.
Just curious if the extra 1,000 lbs per hour at cruise is offset by other factors...thanks in advance.
FF
One more question, we see/heard/read the MD, opps, Super-80 is being parked because it is a gas guzzler and possibly because it is near the end of it's useful life and the recent FAA debacle with the wiring harnesses.
Here's my question, asked in kind of an oblique fashion:
The MD80 burns about 6,000 lbs in cruise vs just over 5000 for the 737, and holds a few less bodies. The MD80 has a hard time getting above 33,000 feet unless near empty, and 37,000 feet is a rarety, thus higher fuel flows. I see the argument that way, but my question is, how cheap are they to operate otherwise (maint/insurance/landing fees/lease fees) vs the 737.
Just curious if the extra 1,000 lbs per hour at cruise is offset by other factors...thanks in advance.
FF
FF,
Can't seem to find the specific numbers, just the general statement that we have "reached the tipping point". Our leases on the 80 are very low or outright owned, which allows us to park them with little cost.
The savings in fuel, initially alone makes up the difference. If you take one S80 and average 10 hours of flying a day for the month at a fuel rate of $2.90 a gallon, the 737 will save roughly $160,000 a month, which almost absorbs the cost of the higher lease difference.
When you add the ability to put more people and cargo on, with long term fleet streamlining for crews and maintenance it makes a lot of sense.
Regards,
AAflyer
P.S. The numbers above are mine, and are rough. If I can ever find that message will drop a note.
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05-25-2008 | 03:25 PM
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How many pilots does AMR have retiring at the end of May? I'd think that with the 90 day lookback on the stock price, this might be a good time to bail. That'll help ease any future furloughs.
As for the 737s scheduled for delivery, I wouldn't count my chickens before they're hatched.
As for the 737s scheduled for delivery, I wouldn't count my chickens before they're hatched.
05-25-2008 | 04:51 PM
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How many pilots does AMR have retiring at the end of May? I'd think that with the 90 day lookback on the stock price, this might be a good time to bail. That'll help ease any future furloughs.
As for the 737s scheduled for delivery, I wouldn't count my chickens before they're hatched.
As for the 737s scheduled for delivery, I wouldn't count my chickens before they're hatched.
As for the 737s, they are coming. School house is getting geared up, hiring more instructors for 737. They are needed, and management knows it.
I guess Andy, in the end NOTHING is guaranteed. 737s, staying in business, another terrorist attack. etc.
As of now I will plan on it.
Regards,
AA
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05-25-2008 | 05:16 PM
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The 737-800 seats 155 in two classes.
The 737-900 seats 169 in two classes.
The 737-900ER seats 173 in two classes.
(These are CAL's configurations)
All certified ETOPS and FL410.
The potential savings over the MD-80's adds up. Imagine 29 more paying people on a plane that burns less. More money for American.
I hope it works out and no one ends up on the street. Good luck.
The 737-900 seats 169 in two classes.
The 737-900ER seats 173 in two classes.
(These are CAL's configurations)
All certified ETOPS and FL410.
The potential savings over the MD-80's adds up. Imagine 29 more paying people on a plane that burns less. More money for American.
I hope it works out and no one ends up on the street. Good luck.
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