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Old 06-27-2008, 08:15 AM
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Those unfriendly states wouldn't be controling our lives and our economy if we had a true leadership in place. We are involved in none ending war which was wrong to begin with I'M SURE EVERYONE HAS THIER REASONS and it's costing our economy 3 BILLION dollars a week which should have been put back to build our infestructure in tough times, our goverment is printing money to support the cost of the war and it's killing our $ value and troops are way over extended and that causes our true enemies to flex thier muscle every chance they get. Gas and unemplyment at all time high and no end in sight. We have TRILLION $'s in deficit and growing. I don't know what the answer is but i can tell you one thing, We are here because of poor leadership not because we have enemies that want control our lives and blood. I control my own life but if the ceo of my company makes wrong decisions and ruin my career on base of poor judgements ther is no one to blame but the ceo and their leadership
Actually, the annual US budget deficit declined from $318 billion in 2005 to $162 billion in 2007, but is estimated to increase to $410 billion in 2008.The Congressional Budget Office projects an annual budget surplus by 2012.

Billion not trillion. Do you have any FACTS or do you run on pure emotion and hyperbole? Don't get me wrong except in times of war I would support a mandatory balanced federal budget.
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Old 06-27-2008, 08:50 AM
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I completely agree with the fact that we need to do our own oil drilling here. There was a very interesting report that I heard on the news that 65% of the oil pollution in the oceans is from natural seepage of oil out of the ground and into the water and we could be taking advantage of that where as only 35% is due to human intervention.

Anyway...the real cause for the oil prices skyrocketing is due to the weak dollar. Supply and demand has what to do with the problem, but not like the weak dollar. The one thing I don't understand is why the Fed is not raising the key interest rate. They lowered it to avoid a recession and that may have worked, but at the same time they may be facing stagflation. The economy is suffering because of the high energy prices and if the main cause of this is the weak dollar then why not increase the interest rate? I am a business major and I am fascinated by economics, but I am clearly missing something here that Ben Bernake is seeing I just don't know what it is. Sometimes recession is good for a country because it will cause things to rebalance themselves and I think that this country could use that right now.
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Old 06-27-2008, 10:13 AM
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Actually, the annual US budget deficit declined from $318 billion in 2005 to $162 billion in 2007, but is estimated to increase to $410 billion in 2008.The Congressional Budget Office projects an annual budget surplus by 2012.

Billion not trillion. Do you have any FACTS or do you run on pure emotion and hyperbole? Don't get me wrong except in times of war I would support a mandatory balanced federal budget.

Our current federal deficit is 9.4 TRILLION DOLLARS with a capital T, and growing.
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Old 06-27-2008, 10:26 AM
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Our current federal deficit is 9.4 TRILLION DOLLARS with a capital T, and growing.
Nope...... do you see where you went wrong...... no?..... oh well, that's the total National Debt. We were talking about the Federal Budget Deficit and it's still was 162 billion 07' with a lower case b. Reading comprehension is really going down the toilet. Any idea what percentage of GDP the national debt is in relation to the past?

Again, don't get me wrong I adamantly support a constitutional amendment requiring the federal budget to be balanced. (with certain limited exceptions) But you can't just go around screaming the sky is falling (which it may eventually) and making up figures and mixing up terms. I suppose you think we're in a recession as well.

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Actually, the annual US budget deficit declined from $318 billion in 2005 to $162 billion in 2007, but is estimated to increase to $410 billion in 2008.The Congressional Budget Office projects an annual budget surplus by 2012.

Billion not trillion. Do you have any FACTS or do you run on pure emotion and hyperbole? Don't get me wrong except in times of war I would support a mandatory balanced federal budget.

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Old 06-27-2008, 10:32 AM
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There was never a budget surplus during the clinton administration either, when they "balanced the budget" both parties came out and patted themselves on their backs saying they now had a budget surplus however that was a "projected" surplus over several years IF they stuck to their plan, and from then on both parties continued to spend, spend, spend beyond that making things worse, not better. But their "budget surplus" was just a ploy to make everyone think they were doing a great job and the country was in great shape. Its like me saying I'm in great shape making 24K a year and I have all kinds of extra money and no debt when I actually have X dollars in credit debt (BUT it will be paid off in X years at this rate) but then the desire for house, kids, etc comes in so I'll eventually aquire new debt. Its a fact of life but I'll at least have mortgage debt for a good portion of my life. Just like our country will probably always have a deficit - unless we found enough oil reserves or some other precious resource to sell to ourselves and the whole rest of the world for more dollars than we consume. Isn't gonna happen.
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Old 06-27-2008, 11:04 AM
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Again, don't get me wrong I adamantly support a constitutional amendment requiring the federal budget to be balanced. (with certain limited exceptions) But you can't just go around screaming the sky is falling (which it may eventually) and making up figures and mixing up terms. I suppose you think we're in a recession as well.


You are correct, I am wrong, I mixed up the terms.

Regarding national debt to percentage of GDP, right now it's about the same as when the last bush left office. Where was it when Clinton left office?
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Old 06-27-2008, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by 7576United View Post
Again, don't get me wrong I adamantly support a constitutional amendment requiring the federal budget to be balanced. (with certain limited exceptions) But you can't just go around screaming the sky is falling (which it may eventually) and making up figures and mixing up terms. I suppose you think we're in a recession as well.


You are correct, I am wrong, I mixed up the terms.

Regarding national debt to percentage of GDP, right now it's about the same as when the last bush left office. Where was it when Clinton left office?
Actually in 07' it was just over half that of 92'. 4.7 vs. 2.6. (percentage deficit) As far as Clinton (while keeping in mind there was no Cold War or post 9/11 spending and revenue loss to deal with) he did do better on average with the budget -1.35 average deficit percentage vs -2.15 for GW but after an inherited recession, two wars, and the post 9/11 slowdown that ain't bad. Careful in giving olé Willy too much credit for the budgets though. Newt Gingrich was the author of those three balanced budgets. (The first two consecutive since 1957 and the first three consecutive since 1949) Clinton vetoed the welfare spending cuts three times before he signed it. NG and the boys shut down the government numerous times to keep spending in check. (the last time I had much use for Congress, Republican or otherwise.) Bill does get some credit though as he did eventually sign them.
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The .com's had explosive growth. Everyone said "you can make some fast money." Then lots of people lost virtually everything invested.

The Housing Market had explosive growth. Everyone said "you can make some fast money." Then lots of people foreclosed on houses.

The Oil Industry has explosive growth. Everyone's saying "you can make some fast money, investing in it"...................


In the meantime for those of us who decide to get ahead with "gazelle intensity power" we're going re-visit our budget, make changes if necessary, and keep plugging away money in the savings account.

This is an opportunity to realize, that hard times come, and they come often. So be prepared, pay off ALL of your debt, stay out of debt, so when the next hard time comes, you wont even really notice it.

I had dinner with a man recently who paid off his house, cars, saved cash to buy rental properties, and now is an elitist. He did not come from wealth, just hard work. He's in his 30's.
Good advice and insight Shooter.

The oil industry has always been manic with regard to it's direction.

After 'Great Highs' comes 'Great lows'. This isn't going to last forever.

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Old 06-27-2008, 12:02 PM
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I'm going to go buy a F250 that gets 12 miles to the gallon because they are so cheap right know you can buy one and fill it up for years before you make up the difference of buying an overpriced gay looking hybrid, do the math the liberals are trying to scare us and screw us while they ride around in their G 5s. even if I spend $2000 dollars more a year in gas and hybrid cost 10,000 more then a regular version of the car it will take five years to make up the difference. Plus you got to replace the battery every so many years.
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Actually in 07' it was just over half that of 92'. 4.7 vs. 2.6. (percentage deficit) As far as Clinton (while keeping in mind there was no Cold War or post 9/11 spending and revenue loss to deal with) he did do better on average with the budget -1.35 average deficit percentage vs -2.15 for GW but after an inherited recession, two wars, and the post 9/11 slowdown that ain't bad. Careful in giving olé Willy too much credit for the budgets though. Newt Gingrich was the author of those three balanced budgets. (The first two consecutive since 1957 and the first three consecutive since 1949) Clinton vetoed the welfare spending cuts three times before he signed it. NG and the boys shut down the government numerous times to keep spending in check. (the last time I had much use for Congress, Republican or otherwise.) Bill does get some credit though as he did eventually sign them.

Actually, the real credit should go to John Kasich, not NG. But let's face it, when you have a VP go on Meet the Press and tell the world," Don't forget Tim, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter," it can't be a good thing.

Personally, I have no problem with republicans controlling congress, but only if they would actually be fiscally conservative, and not just pretend they are.
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