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07-02-2008, 10:19 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by IndyAir Guy
I dont know many mainline pilots who would want to fly BOS to PVD 6 times in a day in an RJ with the quality support from a regional airline.
I lived with a bunch of AA flow backs to AE and they HATED it. They all agreed if they know what it was going to be like they would have never done it.
Yes, some ok mainline flights got down graded to RJ's e.i. ORD to AUS but dont forget about all of the 18 to 35 min legs that are the bulk of the commuter pilot's world. Yes, its a job but not a very good quality of life and not worth the money. After making it to the majors I dont want to go back a RJ. I personally would rather wait it out and support my family better with a different job than go an fly an RJ. Some people may disagree or even be offended by this, but after 7 years at two regionals its how I feel.
I lived with a bunch of AA flow backs to AE and they HATED it. They all agreed if they know what it was going to be like they would have never done it.
Yes, some ok mainline flights got down graded to RJ's e.i. ORD to AUS but dont forget about all of the 18 to 35 min legs that are the bulk of the commuter pilot's world. Yes, its a job but not a very good quality of life and not worth the money. After making it to the majors I dont want to go back a RJ. I personally would rather wait it out and support my family better with a different job than go an fly an RJ. Some people may disagree or even be offended by this, but after 7 years at two regionals its how I feel.
Makes good sense, but if all the RJ's were on mainline's list it would solve so many other problems. If you as a NB or WB pilot were faced with getting bumped back into RJ's you could simply take a Vol LOA if you didn't want to do the RJ again. Company would rather you take a LOA than furlough a junior, lower-paid guy.
07-02-2008, 10:43 AM
#12
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Position: DHC-8 FO
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Originally Posted by IndyAir Guy
I dont know many mainline pilots who would want to fly BOS to PVD 6 times in a day in an RJ with the quality support from a regional airline.
I lived with a bunch of AA flow backs to AE and they HATED it. They all agreed if they know what it was going to be like they would have never done it.
I lived with a bunch of AA flow backs to AE and they HATED it. They all agreed if they know what it was going to be like they would have never done it.
And if the majority of mainline guys at all the legacies ad their various unions did not give into scope, we would not be in all of this today. RJs should have been mainline, same w/props, but hey, a lot of those guys felt the RJs and props just weren't good enough for them and they got what they got.
And QOL for pilots suffers today because of it. But it is what it is, and I do what I do because it is what I want to do for now.
07-02-2008, 11:23 AM
#13
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: E-170/175 FO
Posts: 165
Originally Posted by IndyAir Guy
I dont know many mainline pilots who would want to fly BOS to PVD 6 times in a day in an RJ with the quality support from a regional airline.
Yes, some ok mainline flights got down graded to RJ's e.i. ORD to AUS but dont forget about all of the 18 to 35 min legs that are the bulk of the commuter pilot's world.
Yes, some ok mainline flights got down graded to RJ's e.i. ORD to AUS but dont forget about all of the 18 to 35 min legs that are the bulk of the commuter pilot's world.
- I haven't had a pairing yet that has had more than 3-4 legs a day, MAYBE.
- We only fly to mainline fields ie: DFW, JFK, MIA etc. (At least on the 170.)
- My average flight is not 18 to 35 min. it's more like 2:15 to 3:15 block on average.
- I had 17 days off last month with about 94 credit hours (pretty senior, if you call only 3 years senior)
- My quality of life is great! Never spent a day on reserve.
PS: UAL pilots are welcome on my JS anytime!
Last edited by 170Homie; 07-02-2008 at 01:37 PM.
07-02-2008, 11:42 AM
#14
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Originally Posted by 170Homie
Uhh, sorry to break it to you guys but the regional life actually isn't that bad anymore.
PS: UAL pilots are welcome on my JS anytime!
- I haven't had a pairing yet that has had more that 3-4 legs a day, MAYBE.
- We only fly to mainline fields ie: DFW, JFK, MIA etc. (At least on the 170.)
- My average flight is not 18 to 35 min. it's more like 2:15 to 3:15 block on average.
- I had 17 days off last month with about 94 credit hours (pretty senior, if you call only 3 years senior)
- My quality of life is great! Never spent a day on reserve.
PS: UAL pilots are welcome on my JS anytime!
Which kind of makes my point. Those flights should be and were at one time a guppy or airbus. Over at CAL, they still are. Of course, CAL wasn't in bankruptcy the last time around. That is when the scope was gutted.
Last edited by jsled; 07-02-2008 at 11:48 AM.
07-02-2008, 11:47 AM
#15
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Originally Posted by labbats
Take the finger you're pointing, then fold it in. Now stick out your thumb. That's the person who did this to you.
07-02-2008, 11:56 AM
#16
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Position: 737 CA
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Originally Posted by jsled
Those flights should be and were at one time a guppy or airbus. Over at CAL, they still are. Of course, CAL wasn't in bankruptcy the last time around. That is when the scope was gutted.
07-02-2008, 11:56 AM
#17
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Position: E-170/175 FO
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Originally Posted by jsled
Which kind of makes my point. Those flights should be and were at one time a guppy or airbus. Over at CAL, they still are. Of course, CAL wasn't in bankruptcy the last time around. That is when the scope was gutted.
It's up to mainline drivers and your union to keep scope alive, but in this economic enviroment, not sure there's a leg to stand on. If scope is relieved, look for 190's in express colors docking at a jetbridge near you soon.
07-02-2008, 12:06 PM
#18
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Well, at least you realize your pay sucks. And here's the problem: It's going to suck tomorrow, and the day after, and the day after that......It's probably no big deal for you right now, as you're no doubt 20-something and living with mom and dad. But give it a decade or so, you'll most likely be married, have a kid or two, with a house and mortgage. When that day comes, I highly doubt you'll be posting on a message board how great life is. Especially after some 20-something year olds come along who are willing to work for even less than what you make, and airline management is more than happy to shift the flying to them.
07-02-2008, 12:55 PM
#19
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Originally Posted by 7576United
Well, at least you realize your pay sucks. And here's the problem: It's going to suck tomorrow, and the day after, and the day after that......It's probably no big deal for you right now, as you're no doubt 20-something and living with mom and dad. But give it a decade or so, you'll most likely be married, have a kid or two, with a house and mortgage. When that day comes, I highly doubt you'll be posting on a message board how great life is. Especially after some 20-something year olds come along who are willing to work for even less than what you make, and airline management is more than happy to shift the flying to them.
07-02-2008, 02:00 PM
#20
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: E-170/175 FO
Posts: 165
Originally Posted by 7576United
Well, at least you realize your pay sucks. And here's the problem: It's going to suck tomorrow, and the day after, and the day after that......It's probably no big deal for you right now, as you're no doubt 20-something and living with mom and dad. But give it a decade or so, you'll most likely be married, have a kid or two, with a house and mortgage. When that day comes, I highly doubt you'll be posting on a message board how great life is. Especially after some 20-something year olds come along who are willing to work for even less than what you make, and airline management is more than happy to shift the flying to them.
I can (A) cry and ***** about it all day like some of my old captains do for the entire 4 days
, or I can (B) try to make the best of what I have, enjoy my job, and thank god I don't make 5$ foot longs for a living.
You have to realize, the majority of the newbies in this industry has never had what you had in your heyday. We NEVER had pensions. We NEVER got $300/hr to fly one leg a day and have 7 flight attendants (under 30 and hot mind you) follow us around like the master aviators we are. We NEVER flew a flight where it was mandatory to wear a suit and get get meals served on fine china. I could go on, but I won't. Bottom line, I LOVE MY JOB..Ooops, almost said career. I used to wanna do my time and then go to a major like the majority of my regional peers but to be honest, I don't mind staying where I'm at, topping out in the low 100's, OK trips and great QOL. The majors?? You can have it. Now, overseas is a whole different ballgame.
PS: I am married and have a mortgage BOTH of which I budgeted for on my measly salary. No ex wife (flight attendant) and child support (pilot error) also helps the situation
Last edited by 170Homie; 07-02-2008 at 02:06 PM.
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