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07-02-2008, 09:45 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by 7576United
Third, no, pay doesn't suck everywhere. Compare your w2 with Lufthansa with various other international carriers.
07-03-2008, 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 767pilot
It happened before that. Your scope clause was sealed tight and the company couldn't have UAX's with jets. The company said that if the pilots played ball, they would get more 747-400' and "after all, which would you rather fly, that or an RJ? Just let us buy them some RJ's but we can't afford both". Turns out it was a lie, go figure. The pilots voted yes and how many -400's have you gotten since then? None, and they went ahead and financed RJ's for ACA anyhow. Check your early '90's union history.
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07-03-2008, 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by dojetdriver
Compare YOUR W2 to a LH, AF, or KLM pilot. A U.S. "legacy" CA's pay is lame, your going to compare an RJ pilot's?
07-03-2008, 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by 170Homie
Per management, look for AA and Continental to drop scope soon, GUARENTEED!
It's up to mainline drivers and your union to keep scope alive, but in this economic enviroment, not sure there's a leg to stand on. If scope is relieved, look for 190's in express colors docking at a jetbridge near you soon.
It's up to mainline drivers and your union to keep scope alive, but in this economic enviroment, not sure there's a leg to stand on. If scope is relieved, look for 190's in express colors docking at a jetbridge near you soon.
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07-03-2008, 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by dojetdriver
Compare YOUR W2 to a LH, AF, or KLM pilot. A U.S. "legacy" CA's pay is lame, your going to compare an RJ pilot's?
07-06-2008, 09:05 AM
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...And you all have completely missed my point. Like I said in my FIRST post, I am not gloating, bragging, insert verb here_________. I have nothing but respect for the (mainline) guys who have paved the way but let's make one thing clear. I was not in the meeting when management (or lack there of) approved the planes I fly or the routes i'm on. I DID NOT steal any route structure or installed 70+ seaters on those routes. I simply applied to a company that happens to supply that to mainline carriers.
When I said I am happy being where I am and have no intention of going mainline, I meant just that. I do not speak for every RJ driver out there. Why would I want to go to a mainline carrier, further my risk of fulrough, be on reserve for a year plus, wait for my # to be called a decade later for upgrade etc. for a few bucks more and a worse QOL.
Be CLEAR, I am NOT bragging about a freakin' plane, who cares! Oh, and I DO want more money and contract perks, we all do, and I would be the first one in line with sticks and signs to make sure we ALL get what we deserve. I was just stating that I love my job, love what I do, and i'm tired of people trying to take the simple joys left in this industry from me by trying to make me feel the recipricol. Sorry for the rant, gotta go fly and love it at the same time.
When I said I am happy being where I am and have no intention of going mainline, I meant just that. I do not speak for every RJ driver out there. Why would I want to go to a mainline carrier, further my risk of fulrough, be on reserve for a year plus, wait for my # to be called a decade later for upgrade etc. for a few bucks more and a worse QOL.
Be CLEAR, I am NOT bragging about a freakin' plane, who cares! Oh, and I DO want more money and contract perks, we all do, and I would be the first one in line with sticks and signs to make sure we ALL get what we deserve. I was just stating that I love my job, love what I do, and i'm tired of people trying to take the simple joys left in this industry from me by trying to make me feel the recipricol. Sorry for the rant, gotta go fly and love it at the same time.
07-06-2008, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by 170Homie
Uhh, sorry to break it to you guys but the regional life actually isn't that bad anymore.
PS: UAL pilots are welcome on my JS anytime!
- I haven't had a pairing yet that has had more than 3-4 legs a day, MAYBE.
- We only fly to mainline fields ie: DFW, JFK, MIA etc. (At least on the 170.)
- My average flight is not 18 to 35 min. it's more like 2:15 to 3:15 block on average.
- I had 17 days off last month with about 94 credit hours (pretty senior, if you call only 3 years senior)
- My quality of life is great! Never spent a day on reserve.
PS: UAL pilots are welcome on my JS anytime!
I don't think this is true for most regional pilots. For sure some but most not. At least not in its entirety. I believe the writer is on the E170 which would be a stretch to call it a regional aircraft. Most of us don't fly those. Air Canada added it to their mainline fleet which is where it belongs.
07-06-2008, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 170Homie
...And you all have completely missed my point. Like I said in my FIRST post, I am not gloating, bragging, insert verb here_________. I have nothing but respect for the (mainline) guys who have paved the way but let's make one thing clear. I was not in the meeting when management (or lack there of) approved the planes I fly or the routes i'm on. I DID NOT steal any route structure or installed 70+ seaters on those routes. I simply applied to a company that happens to supply that to mainline carriers.
When I said I am happy being where I am and have no intention of going mainline, I meant just that. I do not speak for every RJ driver out there. Why would I want to go to a mainline carrier, further my risk of fulrough, be on reserve for a year plus, wait for my # to be called a decade later for upgrade etc. for a few bucks more and a worse QOL.
Be CLEAR, I am NOT bragging about a freakin' plane, who cares! Oh, and I DO want more money and contract perks, we all do, and I would be the first one in line with sticks and signs to make sure we ALL get what we deserve. I was just stating that I love my job, love what I do, and i'm tired of people trying to take the simple joys left in this industry from me by trying to make me feel the recipricol. Sorry for the rant, gotta go fly and love it at the same time.
When I said I am happy being where I am and have no intention of going mainline, I meant just that. I do not speak for every RJ driver out there. Why would I want to go to a mainline carrier, further my risk of fulrough, be on reserve for a year plus, wait for my # to be called a decade later for upgrade etc. for a few bucks more and a worse QOL.
Be CLEAR, I am NOT bragging about a freakin' plane, who cares! Oh, and I DO want more money and contract perks, we all do, and I would be the first one in line with sticks and signs to make sure we ALL get what we deserve. I was just stating that I love my job, love what I do, and i'm tired of people trying to take the simple joys left in this industry from me by trying to make me feel the recipricol. Sorry for the rant, gotta go fly and love it at the same time.
Hopefully not, but to think a regional pilot is impervious to woes of a mainline guy, well........
07-06-2008, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by dojetdriver
If you think that unpleasant things that happen at a legacy WON'T happen to you at a regional, you might be in for a shock later on.
Hopefully not, but to think a regional pilot is impervious to woes of a mainline guy, well........
Hopefully not, but to think a regional pilot is impervious to woes of a mainline guy, well........
Whoa.. Who said anything about safe. No one is safe in this enviroment. At this time it's just a little "safer" than the mainline, right now. And I would like to move on to bigger and better someday, but for me, bigger and better is Emirates or Cathay not Delta or United.
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