Ahhh, but no 70 seaters or it would be worse. At least CAL is replacing some of the parked jets with new 737ng's. I think there is a huge difference.

First off, never is a really, really long time.

Second, why do you underestimate yourself?

Third, no, pay doesn't suck everywhere. Compare your w2 with Lufthansa with various other international carriers.

Fourth, please stay as far away from the people that negotiate your contract for you as you can, and even further away from management, I don't want any of them hearing you say you're perfectly happy and completely unwilling to fight for better wages.

One last thing: Don't be surprised when we do everything we possibly can to regain the flying we lost to the rj's.

I've been at chq for over 3 years and would quit in this industry to work for a major with threat of furlough. with all the "great qol", this job is only gonna be here as long as the company can get a contract. sure now it's good, but how long before majors get sick of the outsourcing and take it back? soon i hope, that means i'll leave here quicker. 1 day at UAL would be better than 3 years here...this place runs like mickey mouse on crack.

It all comes back to the money, folks. 20 year olds will underbid your mainline salary and get the flying. PERIOD. The only way it will end is if it becomes more of a liability (for qualitative reasons) to outsource than to go in house. But, I doubt that will happen, look at AA and Eagle.

I don't think there are many people looking for regional jobs for the sake of regional jobs. Some of us are AA, UA, CHQ, TSA, etc, but we are all looking primarily after #1 and have decided to try to put bread on the table by flying for a living. This industry has historically been a tough one to enter. You have to pay your dues for a long time before moving ahead. How much you pay depends upon the demand for pilots at the time. In the current environment, if you want a job at a major, you have to go to a regional to get there. Its really the only viable way to build quality time efficiently. I mean, last time I checked it was pretty darn expensive to rent a jet from your local FBO to build time.

Most regional guys would say "buh bye" to their regionals in a split second if they were offered a job at a mainline. So, I doubt you'll ever find a regional guy who knocks the desire to have mainline companies do THEIR OWN flying, because that means more jobs at the mainline, more demand for pilots at that mainline, and in turn less dues to pay to get there. I haven't seen a lot of loyalty out there on behalf of pilots as regards their companies (except perhaps WN), most will jump ship in the bat of an eye in search for a better QOL. This is especially true regarding the jump from regional to mainline.

The problem is with all the elements that make business business. It is human nature to slap labels on other people or groups and then to chase "the people in the black hats", but it really isn't that way in reality. We all chose to try to fly for a living, we all want good QOL, we all (more or less) look after #1 before looking after the other guy (hence competition), and thats just the way it is. Because of this, it makes this industry seem "dog eat dog", egos fly, etc. There will probably always be more applicants than jobs available. Aviation has that sex appeal and people run after it. No matter how good you are there will always be someone wanting your job with a similar or better resume than you. Managements use this to twist our arm and coupled with the individual desires to succeed and find a good QOL, pilots are willing to take the jobs that are offered at the time. I mean, Mesa and GoJet are even staffed.

My point in a few words is that we are all after the same goal, all do the same job, all look the same (more or less). Add the sex appeal to be a pilot and the resulting flood of applicants, then add to that management's money making maneuvers (creation of low paying outsourced regional jobs) and you get a perfect recipe for where we are today, or should I say, where we were before oil began its viking departure. Now that oil is up, many of us are being thrown on the streets.

The sad part about is that there are so many players in the game that a UA or CAL, etc mainline pilot who has really already "paid his dues" is cast out on the street, whereas the new RJ guy with a year seniority is safe (for now anyway). If mainlines did their own flying, the increased size of the seniority lists would make things a bit more fair.

As much as I think ALL of us would like to see scope taken back... its sorta like sex..... you just cant stop.....

I seriously doubt scope will ever be taken back in any meaningful way. The dynamic of this business has been changing for 20 years. American "FLAG" carriers such as UAL, DAL/NW, CAL etc.... are probably destined to increase their international flying and ONLY fly high profit domestic flights... everything else is/or will be relegated to the National/Jet carriers such as SKW, XJT, RAH and the JET Blues and AIRTrans of the world. It is what it is....

I think plenty of regional guys today are willing to "shut it down" rather than continue down the path we are...... And when this tier of companies increase their pay... and the big guys do the same down the road... guess what....we will still be complaining that we are getting paid less than them... etc...

Good luck to all......

I don't think so.......

AAflyer:rolleyes:

Geez.... You seem to be getting a hard on from that.... Of course you are happy, you are flying a MAINLINE aircraft, on MAINLINE routes..

If there are any RJ jobs to have!!! EVERYONE is hurting. Furloughs are coming ALMOST EVERYWHERE!!!
NetJets is looking good (again).?

How many seats does the Q400 have?

It happened before that. Your scope clause was sealed tight and the company couldn't have UAX's with jets. The company said that if the pilots played ball, they would get more 747-400' and "after all, which would you rather fly, that or an RJ? Just let us buy them some RJ's but we can't afford both". Turns out it was a lie, go figure. The pilots voted yes and how many -400's have you gotten since then? None, and they went ahead and financed RJ's for ACA anyhow. Check your early '90's union history.

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Are you independently wealthy? Do you have a sugar momma? If so, the following doesn't apply to you. But what do you do with the QOL being a 170 FO? Go visit your vineyard in Tuscany? Go sail your yacht to the Bahamas? Go drive your Porche around?

This is the most disturbing one of all. Because I'm sure that thing sure is shiny.

Because being the FO, you have ALL the say in who gets to ride on YOUR jumpseat, right?