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Superpilot92 07-09-2008 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by StormChaser (Post 421987)
If you read the internal company postings, this isn't just about double management positions linked to the merger. All positions will be affected by the reduction, including pilots and flight attendants. If there aren't enough pilots who volunteer for PERP, or the SLIP and PML programs, the furloughs will come.

The recent LOA that was signed bars them from furloughing pilots because of the fall cut backs. I read it but the F-Word is more for the other work groups.

Superpilot92 07-09-2008 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by StormChaser (Post 421987)
If you read the internal company postings, this isn't just about double management positions linked to the merger. All positions will be affected by the reduction, including pilots and flight attendants. If there aren't enough pilots who volunteer for PERP, or the SLIP and PML programs, the furloughs will come. The LOA regarding the voluntary leaves only states that those programs are options attempting to avoid the need to furlough, not a guarantee of no furloughs.

This is per the LOA -

No involuntary, out-of-category, displacements or layoffs will occur as a result of the 2008 fall schedule reduction. Involuntary, out-of-category, displacements previously published for October 2008 will, at pilot option, be reversed. A pilot previously identified to be displaced for October 2008 will be contacted to elect whether he wishes to remain in his position or to be displaced. A pilot electing displacement shall retain the attendant 24.E.10. recall rights to which he is entitled in the Agreement.”

KKKBTAXI 07-09-2008 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 421993)
This is per the LOA -

No involuntary, out-of-category, displacements or layoffs will occur as a result of the 2008 fall schedule reduction. Involuntary, out-of-category, displacements previously published for October 2008 will, at pilot option, be reversed. A pilot previously identified to be displaced for October 2008 will be contacted to elect whether he wishes to remain in his position or to be displaced. A pilot electing displacement shall retain the attendant 24.E.10. recall rights to which he is entitled in the Agreement.”



I see this as no furloughs until one of two things happen:
-The companies merge, senoirty lists is integrated, and then furloughs come as result of oil and a sh---ty economy (not becuase of the merger, or
-The fall reduction is over effective Jan. 01, 09 and furloughs will begin then.
But as for NWA guys, I think there will be a job for a short while, but my long term vision is not looking good.:(

acl65pilot 07-09-2008 12:39 PM

Not too flame here, but I think that this LOA only applies to the current displacement, not to future ones. Like I said with the economy going in the dumps, they may have canceled the award so that they do not need to train people that they will lay off.
Remember the JPWA when approved has no teeth until the DCC. If either one of us furloughs before then, it is under each others respective JPWA's.

paxhauler85 07-09-2008 12:44 PM

Does this pulldown include the 30 -9's and 757's that they are parking, or is that old news?

Honest question. Someone just mentioned something to me, and I don't know if it was announced today or in the past.

DeadHead 07-09-2008 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by Past V1 (Post 421943)
Very good....that makes a lot of since...they must think they have the merger in the bag if they already trimming the fat

"AP
Northwest Airlines to cut 2,500 jobs
Wednesday July 9, 1:58 pm ET Northwest Airlines cutting 2,500 jobs, will charge for first checked bag
MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -- Northwest Airlines Corp. is the latest airline to cut jobs because of high oil prices.
The carrier said Wednesday it will eliminate 2,500 management and front-line jobs. It previously announced that it would shrink the amount of flying it does by roughly 9 percent later this year. "

I second that, totally agree. I know whenever we hear the word furlough we are quick to look at where we sit as pilots today, but I think NWA is doing the same thing DAL did a few months ago. I believe that DAL had 4,000 employees take the early out and they only needed about 2,500 or so, in addition I am sure this NWA is probably offering a similar package.

I'd agree things appear to be moving along, does anyone know when the final word from the Justice Department will be out?

At this point I think we all better hope this goes through, otherwise both NWA and DAL pilots will be in a very difficult position. I only say that because both companies have been working towards this merger and banking on the cost savings that would come from it.

Superpilot92 07-09-2008 12:46 PM

Its old news. This is no different than what DAL did when they had over 4000 take the early leaves.

johnso29 07-09-2008 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by StormChaser (Post 421987)
If you read the internal company postings, this isn't just about double management positions linked to the merger. All positions will be affected by the reduction, including pilots and flight attendants. If there aren't enough pilots who volunteer for PERP, or the SLIP and PML programs, the furloughs will come. The LOA regarding the voluntary leaves only states that those programs are options attempting to avoid the need to furlough, not a guarantee of no furloughs.

That's incorrect. These reductions are in DIRECT relation to the fall schedule reduction, and the TA that was signed with management does NOT ALLOW involutary furloughs as a result of the fall reduction. I invite you to call your union rep, as well as go on the merger website and read the agreement that was signed. It clearly states there can be NO involuntary furloughs as a result of the fall reduction. Please don't mispread information.

KKKBTAXI 07-09-2008 01:14 PM

A quote from Steenlands message dated today. Take it for what it is worth...:confused:

"Northwest will reduce its frontline and management personnel by 2,500. All NWA employee groups will be affected by this."

FlyingViking 07-09-2008 01:16 PM

Lets look at the glass half full....

Synergy has a good chance of success here if we all do our part. Let us also leave the F-word out as a last resource and deal with it IF it comes.


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