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Originally Posted by KKKBTAXI
(Post 422059)
A quote from Steenlands message dated today. Take it for what it is worth...:confused:
"Northwest will reduce its frontline and management personnel by 2,500. All NWA employee groups will be affected by this."
Originally Posted by StormChaser
(Post 421987)
If you read the internal company postings, this isn't just about double management positions linked to the merger. All positions will be affected by the reduction, including pilots and flight attendants. If there aren't enough pilots who volunteer for PERP, or the SLIP and PML programs, the furloughs will come. The LOA regarding the voluntary leaves only states that those programs are options attempting to avoid the need to furlough, not a guarantee of no furloughs.
Originally Posted by KKKBTAXI
(Post 422059)
A quote from Steenlands message dated today. Take it for what it is worth...:confused:
"Northwest will reduce its frontline and management personnel by 2,500. All NWA employee groups will be affected by this."
Originally Posted by hiflyer
(Post 422199)
Someone has it wrong:
Source: Northwest Airlines to cut 2,500 jobs, raise fees | ajc.com NEW YORK TIMES Published on: 07/09/08 Northwest Airlines said Wednesday that it would cut 2,500 jobs, including pilots, flight attendants, mechanics and other employees, reflecting a reduction in flights. Northwest also said it would join other airlines in charging many travelers $15 for the first checked bag, a move that takes effect with tickets purchased today. Northwest also joined other airlines in charging fees for booking frequent-flier award tickets and increased its fees for changing tickets. Northwest is the latest airline to cut jobs as the industry grapples with sharply higher costs for jet fuel. On Monday, AirTran said it would eliminate 480 jobs, while American, Continental and United all have announced cuts. Delta subsidiary Comair said Tuesday it would cut 300 pilots and 220 flight attendants, effective in September. Delta said last month that it will cut 4,000 employees through voluntary retirements and separations, which it expects to generate $200 million in annual savings. Though Delta and Northwest plan to merge, "any decisions that are made by Northwest today are made independent of Delta," Delta spokesman Kent Landers said. "Our decisions are made completely separate and made based on our own business plan. "As this merger is under the regulatory review process, there are very strict regulations for what we are allowed to coordinate, and many business decisions, certainly competitive business decisions, are not allowed to be coordinated," Landers said. Delta charges a $25 fee for a second checked bag but has not announced a fee for the first bag. "Record high fuel costs are causing us to look at everything, but we've made no change to this service at this time," Landers said. Overall, Northwest is reducing its flying by up to 9.5 percent, the airline said in a regulatory filing. In its previous round of cuts, announced in April, Northwest said it would reduce flying capacity by about 7 percent this year. "Our fuel costs have more than doubled in the past year," Northwest CEO Doug Steenland said in a statement. "In order to manage through this unprecedented fuel challenge, we have to take action to both control costs and increase our revenue." Steenland estimated the airline's new fees would raise $250 million to $300 million in revenue. Northwest said it would offer a series of voluntary programs and would only lay off workers if it does not get enough people to accept buyouts. — Staff writer Kelly Yamanouchi contributed to this article. Like i said, the above the above information is WRONG.;) Everyone needs to STAY INFORMED, ask questions to the MEC before jumping to conclusions. Per the MEC update TODAY!! NWA Announces Voluntary Staffing Reductions Northwest Airlines today announced it will reduce its frontline and management employees by 2,500 as a result of capacity reductions taken to address the unprecedented run-up in oil prices. The reductions will be first achieved through a variety of voluntary programs including early-out programs, voluntary leaves, work rule modifications and attrition. Furloughs will be employed only if voluntary means fail to achieve the targeted reductions. The NWA Negotiating committee previously negotiated Letter of Agreement (LOA) 08-46 Layoff Protection Package which addresses pilot reductions by implementing early retirements, leaves and hourly reductions without the need for furloughs. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 422247)
Like I said there was a reason for the canceling of the Displacement. It was not just for the JPWA. I guess that it is more important than ever to get this JPWA and SLI done so that NWA can spread out some of the furloughs. Fact is that even if all of the new NWA folks get a pink slip it will not affect where they will sit on the list. My guess is DOH for all of the new hires. It stinks but it works out better for all that were furloughed.
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Originally Posted by hiflyer
(Post 422239)
There is some misinformation being reported. Not sure who is reporting the facts.........
The truth would be nice, but not required by today's journalistic standards. |
Originally Posted by DeadHead
(Post 422257)
I really don't think today's media is overly concerned with where they get information from. As long as it gets ratings and provokes emotion.
The truth would be nice, but not required by today's journalistic standards. Journalist = euphemism for ambulance chaser |
I agree that nothing has been stated, yet. What I am saying is that there is a huge loop hole in that LOA. Kind of like a lot of the loop holes in the JPWA. You just have to live with them, because your and my MEC's truly feel that we cannot push for more.
On a side note our MEC feels that there is no way that we could get Compass on the list, even though it is the right thing to do. Makes you wonder. |
Originally Posted by Superpilot92
(Post 422251)
Like i said, the above the above information is WRONG.;)
Everyone needs to STAY INFORMED, ask questions to the MEC before jumping to conclusions. Per the MEC update TODAY!! NWA Announces Voluntary Staffing Reductions Northwest Airlines today announced it will reduce its frontline and management employees by 2,500 as a result of capacity reductions taken to address the unprecedented run-up in oil prices. The reductions will be first achieved through a variety of voluntary programs including early-out programs, voluntary leaves, work rule modifications and attrition. Furloughs will be employed only if voluntary means fail to achieve the targeted reductions. The NWA Negotiating committee previously negotiated Letter of Agreement (LOA) 08-46 Layoff Protection Package which addresses pilot reductions by implementing early retirements, leaves and hourly reductions without the need for furloughs. Scoop |
Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 422301)
What a great deal for the junior DAL guys, NW will not furlough pilots even if they are overmanned but will just carry extra bodies into the merger. I hope I am missing something here I remember a lot of NW guys saying you were short even with the planned DC-9 cuts. How would an arbitrater take the above into account? Maybe the DAL pilots are better off voting down the joint contract? Maybe not? Who knows? Either way once the ink is dry I think we will see managements "real" plans not the BS they are putting out now.
Scoop We arent overstaffed much if by any. This is an attempt to get rid of the senior guys just like you guys did. The more that leave the better right? Would you prefer they not offer early outs for these guys? If you sit down and look at the numbers, which i have at great length, we arent overstaffed. We have 5100-5200 pilots and end of year projections for staffing ACCOUNTING FOR AIRCRAFT REDUCTIONS, being just under 5000 total positions REQUIRED after the reductions. Now if you count the number of instructor pilots, mgmt pilots, LTD, Military, and people still on voluntary furlough you can quickly see that we arent overstaffed. That also doesnt account for any retirements or early outs which are projected to be in the hundreds. This is just an opportunity to get rid of the senior guys nothing more. |
How about 4800 pilots finally flying around 8-10 hours less per month.
Let's see...... 4800 x 8hrs = 38,400 38,400 / 79 hrs = 486 pilots Who wouldn't mind flying less than 85 hours a month? |
my fear would be that mgt would come back to you guys and say ... ITS NOT because of the MERGER we need to furlough... ITS the ECONOMY stupid...
just a thought.... |
Originally Posted by HercDriver130
(Post 422388)
my fear would be that mgt would come back to you guys and say ... ITS NOT because of the MERGER we need to furlough... ITS the ECONOMY stupid...
just a thought.... |
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