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So riddle me this everyone.
If NWA furloughs on their side of the fence now....when we integrate the lists with the single operating certificate, what happens to the Delta side of the house? Do we recall the NWA guys and furlough the DAL guys in 18 months? Kinda curious because this would probably apply to yours truly. |
Originally Posted by Professor
(Post 422065)
So riddle me this everyone.
If NWA furloughs on their side of the fence now....when we integrate the lists with the single operating certificate, what happens to the Delta side of the house? Do we recall the NWA guys and furlough the DAL guys in 18 months? Kinda curious because this would probably apply to yours truly. |
I don't think anyone will know the answer to that...
I have heard rumors that DAL is still short and needs to hire more by the end of the year. I am curious as to if NWA does plan a furlough and DAL is short, if those pilots would slide over to fill the void and then be placed into the seniorty list once it all that is figured out. As for the rumors about DAL being short...is that still going around? |
Originally Posted by gufusu
(Post 422076)
Minneapolis, Detroit, Cincinnati, Memphis, Atlanta. Hummm??? Seems to me a lot of capacity is about to be whacked. 2500 is the tip of the iceberg.
The companies are trying to plan ahead and consolidate the frontline and managment side of the house. A large amount of savings that occur in a merger are from payrolls/salaries at the management level. While there will be a redution in flying I think it will effect regional service more than mainline. DAL is looking to push international capacity as much as possible, so that will in turn mean growth for the company. |
Originally Posted by DeadHead
(Post 422080)
Again....The 2,500 does not apply to current flight crew positions.
The companies are trying to plan ahead and consolidate the frontline and managment side of the house. A large amount of savings that occur in a merger are from payrolls/salaries at the management level. While there will be a redution in flying I think it will effect regional service more than mainline. DAL is looking to push international capacity as much as possible, so that will in turn mean growth for the company. Someone has it wrong: Source: Northwest Airlines to cut 2,500 jobs, raise fees | ajc.com NEW YORK TIMES Published on: 07/09/08 Northwest Airlines said Wednesday that it would cut 2,500 jobs, including pilots, flight attendants, mechanics and other employees, reflecting a reduction in flights. Northwest also said it would join other airlines in charging many travelers $15 for the first checked bag, a move that takes effect with tickets purchased today. Northwest also joined other airlines in charging fees for booking frequent-flier award tickets and increased its fees for changing tickets. Northwest is the latest airline to cut jobs as the industry grapples with sharply higher costs for jet fuel. On Monday, AirTran said it would eliminate 480 jobs, while American, Continental and United all have announced cuts. Delta subsidiary Comair said Tuesday it would cut 300 pilots and 220 flight attendants, effective in September. Delta said last month that it will cut 4,000 employees through voluntary retirements and separations, which it expects to generate $200 million in annual savings. Though Delta and Northwest plan to merge, "any decisions that are made by Northwest today are made independent of Delta," Delta spokesman Kent Landers said. "Our decisions are made completely separate and made based on our own business plan. "As this merger is under the regulatory review process, there are very strict regulations for what we are allowed to coordinate, and many business decisions, certainly competitive business decisions, are not allowed to be coordinated," Landers said. Delta charges a $25 fee for a second checked bag but has not announced a fee for the first bag. "Record high fuel costs are causing us to look at everything, but we've made no change to this service at this time," Landers said. Overall, Northwest is reducing its flying by up to 9.5 percent, the airline said in a regulatory filing. In its previous round of cuts, announced in April, Northwest said it would reduce flying capacity by about 7 percent this year. "Our fuel costs have more than doubled in the past year," Northwest CEO Doug Steenland said in a statement. "In order to manage through this unprecedented fuel challenge, we have to take action to both control costs and increase our revenue." Steenland estimated the airline's new fees would raise $250 million to $300 million in revenue. Northwest said it would offer a series of voluntary programs and would only lay off workers if it does not get enough people to accept buyouts. — Staff writer Kelly Yamanouchi contributed to this article. |
does nwa sending a pilot to compass equal a furlough or a downgrade? This could be how they get around not furloughing pilots.
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I've never understood how an airline could lay-off so many workers and pilots could somehow be unaffected. These are deep cuts. A quick look around the domestic industry here in the U.S. and I suddenly become very skeptical of anyone from management or the union telling me that my job is protected or secure.
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Originally Posted by hiflyer
(Post 422199)
Someone has it wrong:
Source: Northwest Airlines to cut 2,500 jobs, raise fees | ajc.com NEW YORK TIMES Published on: 07/09/08 Northwest Airlines said Wednesday that it would cut 2,500 jobs, including pilots, flight attendants, mechanics and other employees, reflecting a reduction in flights. Northwest also said it would join other airlines in charging many travelers $15 for the first checked bag, a move that takes effect with tickets purchased today. Northwest also joined other airlines in charging fees for booking frequent-flier award tickets and increased its fees for changing tickets. Northwest is the latest airline to cut jobs as the industry grapples with sharply higher costs for jet fuel. On Monday, AirTran said it would eliminate 480 jobs, while American, Continental and United all have announced cuts. Delta subsidiary Comair said Tuesday it would cut 300 pilots and 220 flight attendants, effective in September. Delta said last month that it will cut 4,000 employees through voluntary retirements and separations, which it expects to generate $200 million in annual savings. Though Delta and Northwest plan to merge, "any decisions that are made by Northwest today are made independent of Delta," Delta spokesman Kent Landers said. "Our decisions are made completely separate and made based on our own business plan. "As this merger is under the regulatory review process, there are very strict regulations for what we are allowed to coordinate, and many business decisions, certainly competitive business decisions, are not allowed to be coordinated," Landers said. Delta charges a $25 fee for a second checked bag but has not announced a fee for the first bag. "Record high fuel costs are causing us to look at everything, but we've made no change to this service at this time," Landers said. Overall, Northwest is reducing its flying by up to 9.5 percent, the airline said in a regulatory filing. In its previous round of cuts, announced in April, Northwest said it would reduce flying capacity by about 7 percent this year. "Our fuel costs have more than doubled in the past year," Northwest CEO Doug Steenland said in a statement. "In order to manage through this unprecedented fuel challenge, we have to take action to both control costs and increase our revenue." Steenland estimated the airline's new fees would raise $250 million to $300 million in revenue. Northwest said it would offer a series of voluntary programs and would only lay off workers if it does not get enough people to accept buyouts. — Staff writer Kelly Yamanouchi contributed to this article. |
Originally Posted by DeadHead
(Post 422224)
My mistake, the article I read didn't say anything about pilots.
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Like I said there was a reason for the canceling of the Displacement. It was not just for the JPWA. I guess that it is more important than ever to get this JPWA and SLI done so that NWA can spread out some of the furloughs. Fact is that even if all of the new NWA folks get a pink slip it will not affect where they will sit on the list. My guess is DOH for all of the new hires. It stinks but it works out better for all that were furloughed.
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