brownie

So you're suggesting that practicing this method of nogotiation for the past 8 yrs have worked? Give me a break this has been nothing but a total failure and what's obama not having precondition vs mccain's precondition has got to do with the economy. I get it, you think like the rest of them and when there is no solution let's throw in a curve ball to divert attention. If anyone needs to wake up it's you or i should say start taking your meds so it will clear your delusional views. AIR MIDWEST AND OTHERS GOING BANKRUPT OR CUTTING JOBS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OBAMA BUT POOR AND INCOMPETENT MANAGING OF THIS ECONOMY.

Spaceman Spliff

Allow me to ask where Midwest--and the rest of the industry--would be right now if another terrorist attack had occurred. Or if such an attack does occur in the future.

If terrorists and radical muslims have their way, there will be no economy to "mismanage."

Good day.

johnso29

And how many more terrorists and radical muslims have been converted because of the actions of the current administration, thereby increasing the threat of a terrorist attack? I'd venture to say a lot.

Spaceman Spliff

Seems to me like plenty were "converted" when Clinton was president too, don't you think? Or were the terrorist attacks during his presidency Reagan's fault?

The bad guys hate Americans. They want to kill us. They are not rational, and cannot be bargained with. Please keep that in mind.

cfii2007

Oil isn't the root cause....nor is "overcapacity".

Pay cuts won't solve much in the short term.......besides labor has already given too much.

brownie

There you go, you answered my question. There is no terreorist attack since 2001 and our economy is in worst shape ever, If you watch the economist they all say we have the worst economy since 50 yrs ago. I like how our beloved administration was braging about record home ownership but they seem to forget to mention the record forclosures and bankrupcys. Let me see, post terrorist attack the oil prices were at around mid 20's now 146$ i don't think it was caused by terrorism let me guess speculators and demand YA RIGHT More banks are closing doors and companies going bankrupt and jobs moving overseas and the list goes on They're all caused by terroism, No my friend it's caused by record high oil and forclosures , unemployment, dollar in all time low and growing deficit which was brought to you by nothing but as i said once POOR AND INCOMPTENT MANAGMENT OF OUR ECONOMY.

johnso29

I agree with you there. I don't think Bush going into a country and telling them how they will run it helps our cause though.

johnso29

Care to enlighten us then?

cfii2007

Crandall made the same statement a while back, even when oil was cheap, airlines still managed to bleed red ink.

Overcapacity is misleading, look at the load factors that airlines are experiencing. Tell me how the hell they can't make a profit?

The revenue stream needs to be SERIOUSLY overhauled.....

johnso29

Over capacity leads to more selection/competition. When the LCCs came to town with low pay, low longevity pilots, and good deals like no payments on A320s for the first five years, that gave them the ability to give away their products at dirt cheap prices. This results in them building a customer base, pulling customers away from the other airlines that actually charged for their product. In order for those airlines to compete with the LCCs, they had to match their dirt cheap prices and $49 fire sale fares. Combine that with greedy corporate america along with the bankruptcy's that stripped many of all they had, and you now have the current state of the industry. It will only help to see capacity be cut, and unfortunately, to see a few more carriers go Tango Uniform. Good Luck to us all.