Midwest Air to slash work force by 40 percent
07-14-2008, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Over capacity leads to more selection/competition. When the LCCs came to town with low pay, low longevity pilots, and good deals like no payments on A320s for the first five years, that gave them the ability to give away their products at dirt cheap prices. This results in them building a customer base, pulling customers away from the other airlines that actually charged for their product. In order for those airlines to compete with the LCCs, they had to match their dirt cheap prices and $49 fire sale fares. Combine that with greedy corporate america, and you now have the current state of the industry. It will only help to see capacity be cut, and unfortunately, to see a few more carriers go Tango Uniform. Good Luck to us all.
I agree, legacies will lose domestic capacity and should raise fares, leaving them up to regain pricing power. Pretty difficult with SWA and JBU taking advantage of cutbacks to obtain more market share.
07-14-2008, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by cfii2007
Are you referring to JetBlue?
I agree, legacies will lose domestic capacity and should raise fares, leaving them up to regain pricing power. Pretty difficult with SWA and JBU taking advantage of cutbacks to obtain more market share.
I agree, legacies will lose domestic capacity and should raise fares, leaving them up to regain pricing power. Pretty difficult with SWA and JBU taking advantage of cutbacks to obtain more market share.
That's pretty much my point. You see what has happened with the LCCs? Throw in foreign ownership and cabotage. Does it paint a pretty picture?
07-14-2008, 03:30 PM
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For the consumer yes.....for the employee.....nooooooo.
07-14-2008, 03:38 PM
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I love it when guys like Johnso and brownie show their venemous beliefs that George bush is to blame and that McCain would be a continuation of W policies. Advice, pull your head away from Keith Olberman and do some research on your own to find your own opinion. For example, one of many good sources would be to Google "Iraq index" and read from the brookings institutions research. Guys, get away from the liberal medias soundbites and get one of your own.
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07-14-2008, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by BoxDawg
I love it when guys like Johnso and brownie show their venemous beliefs that George bush is to blame and that McCain would be a continuation of W policies. Advice, pull your head away from Keith Olberman and do some research on your own to find your own opinion. For example, one of many good sources would be to Google "Iraq index" and read from the brookings institutions research. Guys, get away from the liberal medias soundbites and get one of your own.
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07-14-2008, 04:27 PM
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Percentage-wise, that's almost every F/O if they whack the pilots 40%.
Any idea on what DOH this will go to on the pilots seniority list ?
Any idea on what DOH this will go to on the pilots seniority list ?
07-15-2008, 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
It's not liberal soundbites, it's my own observations for the last 5 years.
07-15-2008, 05:59 AM
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People like johnso29 always want to blame SWA or JB for their company's problems. JB always was paying for thier airplanes, they just made firm order's for 100 and options for another 100 A320's and for that reason they got a great deal.....do you buy in Bulk at Cosco...same concept. SWA will always Hedge Fuel.
The difference with SWA and JB is they are well run, well managed companies that have a strong brand that customer's like. It is called good business. Now in the OLD Day's the Legacy carriers would overlap a start up carriers Route structure and loose millions on that route just to put them out of business. Or even better they would just BUY them and put all the employees on the Street. Unfortunately the Legacy's don't have that Pricing power anymore, so everybody wants to blame SWA and JB for their company's poorly run business.
They are lean because of productivity, efficiency and aircraft utilization rates. SWA pilot's are some of the best paid in the industry, and JB pay is getting close to industry average and industry leading in some categories.
They treat and COMMUNICATE with their employees well, and for that their employees offer a great customer service product. IT IS CALLED BUSINESS. Foreign Ownership is about a GLOBAL ECONOMY and a GLOBAL AIRLINE INDUSTRY....get with the program on market economics. The federal government is not going to keep saving poorly run company's that can not look to the future and make a business plan work.
My .02 cents.
The difference with SWA and JB is they are well run, well managed companies that have a strong brand that customer's like. It is called good business. Now in the OLD Day's the Legacy carriers would overlap a start up carriers Route structure and loose millions on that route just to put them out of business. Or even better they would just BUY them and put all the employees on the Street. Unfortunately the Legacy's don't have that Pricing power anymore, so everybody wants to blame SWA and JB for their company's poorly run business.
They are lean because of productivity, efficiency and aircraft utilization rates. SWA pilot's are some of the best paid in the industry, and JB pay is getting close to industry average and industry leading in some categories.
They treat and COMMUNICATE with their employees well, and for that their employees offer a great customer service product. IT IS CALLED BUSINESS. Foreign Ownership is about a GLOBAL ECONOMY and a GLOBAL AIRLINE INDUSTRY....get with the program on market economics. The federal government is not going to keep saving poorly run company's that can not look to the future and make a business plan work.
My .02 cents.
07-15-2008, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Clear Right
People like johnso29 always want to blame SWA or JB for their company's problems.
07-15-2008, 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Clear Right
People like johnso29 always want to blame SWA or JB for their company's problems. JB always was paying for thier airplanes, they just made firm order's for 100 and options for another 100 A320's and for that reason they got a great deal.....do you buy in Bulk at Cosco...same concept. SWA will always Hedge Fuel.
The difference with SWA and JB is they are well run, well managed companies that have a strong brand that customer's like. It is called good business. Now in the OLD Day's the Legacy carriers would overlap a start up carriers Route structure and loose millions on that route just to put them out of business. Or even better they would just BUY them and put all the employees on the Street. Unfortunately the Legacy's don't have that Pricing power anymore, so everybody wants to blame SWA and JB for their company's poorly run business.
They are lean because of productivity, efficiency and aircraft utilization rates. SWA pilot's are some of the best paid in the industry, and JB pay is getting close to industry average and industry leading in some categories.
They treat and COMMUNICATE with their employees well, and for that their employees offer a great customer service product. IT IS CALLED BUSINESS. Foreign Ownership is about a GLOBAL ECONOMY and a GLOBAL AIRLINE INDUSTRY....get with the program on market economics. The federal government is not going to keep saving poorly run company's that can not look to the future and make a business plan work.
My .02 cents.
The difference with SWA and JB is they are well run, well managed companies that have a strong brand that customer's like. It is called good business. Now in the OLD Day's the Legacy carriers would overlap a start up carriers Route structure and loose millions on that route just to put them out of business. Or even better they would just BUY them and put all the employees on the Street. Unfortunately the Legacy's don't have that Pricing power anymore, so everybody wants to blame SWA and JB for their company's poorly run business.
They are lean because of productivity, efficiency and aircraft utilization rates. SWA pilot's are some of the best paid in the industry, and JB pay is getting close to industry average and industry leading in some categories.
They treat and COMMUNICATE with their employees well, and for that their employees offer a great customer service product. IT IS CALLED BUSINESS. Foreign Ownership is about a GLOBAL ECONOMY and a GLOBAL AIRLINE INDUSTRY....get with the program on market economics. The federal government is not going to keep saving poorly run company's that can not look to the future and make a business plan work.
My .02 cents.
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