I had a Delta sim guy on our jumpseat yesterday and he said they will hire in the late fall. I'll believe it when I see it.

VOTE NO to this TA. Nothing to gain we already have LOA19 and ALPA will not answer any question without putting a spin on it to me or any CA that I have flown with all month. Have you read the stuff that they are sending out. There biggest concern is NW leaving ALPA like USAir so they want to make sure they are happy. This stuff is so political, just like all ther answers.

 

Is it spin or is it you just don't agree with their answer ? The Reps I have talked to answered all my questions with no spin.

 

Bottom line is that its coming regardless of what either side wants. Pushing it off gains nothing and only will cause long term problems. No one wants a usair type mess and we all want to avoid that from happening. We just need to get this over with and move forward as one pilot group.

The DAL MEC has made it very clear that LOA 19 wasn't established as a negotiating tactic. It appears a number of DAL guys would love nothing more than to take LOA 19 and hose the NWA pilots. Fortunately the majority of both pilot groups can see the big picture and realize the importance of getting this done and moving forward together.

Just my take on it

 

whoops. I hate computers.

 

Basically the ones who I have seen who are voting No are doing it for a few reasons. One, they think that we are better off with out NWA. and Two, that we are giving everything to the NWA guys. Franks, if you only look at the surface of the deal this is all that you come away with.
You need to really sit there are read the financial information of both companies. Read all of the documents etc to come away with an informed decision. Fact is that if you can look past the end of your nose. Anyone on the bottom of this list is going to have better career advancement in the next 10 years plus than they would have had with out it. This is not to say that a few of us may loose a current seat, or two, but it is the long term that you need to look at. Take the SLI and where you may sit on it. Fact is that there will be a lot more growth with them, than with out them.
On the hiring front. We are still looking to do this. Crew planning says no, but the other peeps "in the know," are still saying yes.
I think that a lot will change in the next six months, but the fact is that we at DAL are still showing net growth. Not just of airframes but on block hrs. Now with a joint company, you will see DAL take real advantage of the NRT and AMS flying. Domestic has been rung out, there is not much left to gain in the market. International is where it is at, and not just O and D from the USA.

Take a deep breath and ask yourself; Do you really thinking that voting No will change a darn thing? I will bet my house on the fact that we will not get anything better in terms of a PWA down the road if we vote this thing down.
Like him or hate him, Lee and the MEC really do know what is going on. There are benefits of a good working relationship with management. Not all of it has to be hate.

 

good post .

 

Second this. Just because he has a good working relationship with management doesn't make him a sellout. It could mean he is an astute businessman. Look at what we've gotten compared to anyone over the past six years. Allocations that were 4X what UAL pilots got. With LOA 19 and the Joint TA we get raises that NO legacy carrier has been able to achieve. While UAL, AMR and CAL contemplate thousands of new furloughs we may actually be hiring again soon. Some new hires may come from these very carriers.

I trust very few pilots when it comes to anything financial. Usually the worst of these are the ones who are the most vocal about how we should accept nothing less than C2K. They are caught in some time warp where the laws of economics bend like light in a black hole to suit them and their carriers rather than looking at reality. Here's a tip. If you get a stock that jumps 20% in one week - SELL. Capture profits. Buy on the up not the down. And vote Yes because a No vote changes nothing but extra money in your pocket at the end of the day.

 

Every guy I fly with or talk to are voting No. Except for some check airmen that we handed off a plane to and guys that post on this forum. Reading on this websitie it seem like it will pass, but flying the line and talking to guys in the crew room or jumpseaters you get they are all voting no. Did ya'll read the hand out that they just put in our v-files in recards to whats going on the industry. The first paragraph talks about supporting the union and to pass this TA, but dosen't give you a reason why. Then the rest of the pages talk about what is going on in the industy and we are not safe of furloughs. Sounds like a scare tactit and lets you know that you might be furloughed. It covers there ass either way. Try to get you to vote yes and if you get fuloughed they can say we didn't warn you. This is not the reason I'm voting no but just an example you guys just look right pass.

 

No, the message is pretty clear. I don't think anyone's ignoring it. It sounds like you're flying with a lot of paranoid types, though. The threat of furlough is obvious. It's the source of the threat that I think you have confused. I'll give you a hint, it's not DALPA that may cause a furlough.

If you're not going to trust DALPA, I would hope you at least have a better rationale than what you've posted here for voting no. The LEC members I've spoken with have given rational, reasonable explanations of why they feel we should vote yes. Those opposed to the jpwa have offered paranoia, fear, jealousy, and greed as their reasoning. Maybe if you offered more logic and less emotion, more people would listen to you on this board.

 

This TA was negotiated with oil at around $110-115. If it fails we will re-negotiate at 125-130. There is only so much money to go around,if the TA fails we could get less the next go around.As for 'talk"in the cockpit myself and 1 other person I have run into are the only people to have voted for CK96,yet it passed 60%-40%.People talk with their mouths,they tend to vote with their brains.