Hotels dumping Flight Crews
03-26-2006 | 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by phil squares
All it takes is one cancelled/delayed flight due to lack of "acceptable" crew rest or fatigue and the airline has lost all it saved. It's kind of akin to the old expression, "penny wise pound foolish"!
03-26-2006 | 05:51 PM
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From: MD80 FO
Poundsand,
Originally Posted by Poundstone
I have no personal animus against flight crews -- just the opposite, in fact. If crews could stay in upscale hotels and their airline could still make a decent profit, that would be fine with me. I'm simply pointing out that cost-cutting in both salaries and benefits will continue to be comprehensive and unrelenting in the airline industry, for the simple reason that the "cheap fare" is part of the fabric of the travel industry now. The cheap fare is a constant expectation by the travelling public. I'll say it again: airlines that can deliver cheap fares and still make a profit will survive; airlines that can't, won't.
I used to be a wearer of those same rose-colored glasses you have ... I accepted the spin that my profession needed to back off the throttles a bit to allow the approaching compressor stall to clear.
That was until AA management (specifically, ALL of 'em as a general rule) failed to take their equal proportion share of the excrement sandwich ... THEN ... not only is the shared pain less than of equal percentages ... the upswing for the management (at AA, anyway) is absolutely ENORMOUS.
AA management has gone from freestyle speed swimming ... to MAYBE a dog paddle ... to an impending motor boat speed of compensation.
Meanwhile, the pilots at this outfit have taken more than they should have, for longer than they should have. --- & AA's pilots are hardly alone.
No sir ... your mantra about cutting to save the carrier is nonsense. The cutting is to maximize profit potential ... to artificially juice that stock price --- the very basis for bonus/compensation plans.
You may have a working knowledge of aviation, sir ... but you are no line pilot. I cannot concieve any line pilot --- one who makes his SOLE living 'on the line' --- advocating positions such as yours.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion ... you also have the right to be wrong. Holding these opinions makes you wrong. PERIOD.
That is all I have for you ...
AV
03-27-2006 | 10:53 PM
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You can never understand a good hotel until you stay at a bad one. We have all at one time or another been assigned a crappy/cheapo hotel for RON. It isnt about being snobby, its about getting a decent night's sleep in a safe, clean and pleasant enviornment. The rate difference btwn Westin and "The Patel Budget Inn" can be less than $10 per night. I worked crew scheduling, I KNOW!
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03-29-2006 | 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Poundstone
Koru, I'm not a non-pilot as you thought.
Think a minute about military pilots. Think a minute about the work experience of even non-combat (AMC) military pilots. Do they stay in upscale hotels?
I know for a fact that, with a few exceptions overseas, they don't.
And yet they get the job done, no matter how grueling.
By the way: "professional" is as just spelled. Just trying to help.
Think a minute about military pilots. Think a minute about the work experience of even non-combat (AMC) military pilots. Do they stay in upscale hotels?
I know for a fact that, with a few exceptions overseas, they don't.
And yet they get the job done, no matter how grueling.
By the way: "professional" is as just spelled. Just trying to help.
That's the biggetst B.S. I've read/heard in long time. I, being an ex Air Force guy knows that that is flat wrong and a lie!
03-29-2006 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg52
I, being an ex Air Force guy knows that that is flat wrong and a lie!
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
03-29-2006 | 01:40 PM
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I remember staying in more than a few crummy hotels when I was in the Navy. When I was in my 20's, I could get a good night's sleep under less than ideal conditions. Now I'm in my forties, and it's not so easy, especially given the circadian rhythm disruptions we tend to face. The older I get, the more stars my hotel must have.
03-29-2006 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Poundstone
Koru, I'm not a non-pilot as you thought.
Think a minute about military pilots. Think a minute about the work experience of even non-combat (AMC) military pilots. Do they stay in upscale hotels?
I know for a fact that, with a few exceptions overseas, they don't.
And yet they get the job done, no matter how grueling.
By the way: "professional" is as just spelled. Just trying to help.
Think a minute about military pilots. Think a minute about the work experience of even non-combat (AMC) military pilots. Do they stay in upscale hotels?
I know for a fact that, with a few exceptions overseas, they don't.
And yet they get the job done, no matter how grueling.
By the way: "professional" is as just spelled. Just trying to help.
03-30-2006 | 06:20 AM
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From: Right Seat 744
Originally Posted by SWAcapt
Crewdawg, I believe Pounstone said Military pilots, not Air Force pilots.
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
OUCH........ IT BEAT THE HELL OUT OF LIVING WITH 5000 GUYS ON A BOAT, DIGGING YOUR HOME IN THE GROUND, EATING OUT OF CANS AND PLASTIC BAGS, AND USING TREE LIMBS FOR MATTRESSES. MY BIGGEST WORRY WAS IF THE ROMOTE WOULD WORK ON THE TV AND IF THE BED HAD CLEAN SHEETS.
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