This isnt rocket science guys. After the SLI is completed its going to be done. From that point on anyone hired will be put on the seniority list just as they will be after SOC. In between DCC and SOC they may have a system seniority though depending on which base and ticket they get flown on. Just like now you may be more senior in one base than another.

Either way it doesnt really matter once the SLI is completed as far as we are concerned.

 

Carl we would not be merging these two class from separate airlines. They would be hired at Delta Air Lines, Inc., and given their seniority as the JPWA dictates. This is a huge point, and one that you fail to address.

 

I agree with you. The only issue is that indoc is really about the FOM and operating under the certificate. So really, the newhire would do indoc in MSP for assignment to a former NWA airframe. FOMs go with the operating certificate, they are FAA approved. Maybe NWA will modify it's operations fast enough that the only difference between the two would be the actual aicraft training and procedures.

 

I agree with the FOM part, but DAL brings spouses to ATL for all the corporate stuff, medical, travel benefits, Peachtree Ball (only kidding) but you get the idea. Then the flight specific stuff starts, I think the admin type stuff takes 2-3 days . Oh did I mention the brainwashing part.

Scoop

 

Which is it, Carl? Is retirement a right protected by contract and ERISA or a convenience for the company.

btw, you answered a question with a question. The Delta retirements are historical fact. The underfunding of the NWA pension plans are current fact. Are you going to protect against sick leave abuse, theft, and retirements that aren't built into the actuarial funding model of your plan?

Or are you hot air and an example of what you suspect a "high number" of NWA pilots will do?

Those early retirements that you wish for only make your already underfunded plan more underfunded....

 

Which is it? What have I ever said that would lead you to believe I think retirement is a convenience for the company???

The question was: What did you do to stop that historical fact? It was rhetorical because I know a line pilot has little to do with stopping anything. Some DAL pilots haven't learned that yet.

See the above response.

Actually, you're wrong about that as well. Early retirement has no effect on the plan's funding. You take a 3% penalty for every year you retire prior to age 60.

Carl

 

Ahh, nice! You sound just like Eric Newman in the SLI hearings. And you guys call Delta pilots arrogant....


Ours had the same provision. Better take another math class, Carl. That may have been true with the old pension funding rules, you know the ones that mandated realistic interest rates for funding (our plan was less than 6%). But with the stretched out funding provisions of 8.85%, it isn't close to a wash.

You still never answered the question (you've been successful in diverting the first half to pensions). What are you (and all NWA pilots) going to do to help ensure a high number of NWA pilots don't steal from all of us?

Golly, shucks, there's nothing "Carl" can do about it.....but the Delta guys haven't learned that yet....

 

Slowpay ,

The NWA DB pension plan is frozen along with all the benefits due all participants . Nobody can increase their benefit by retiring early . Not only will they take a hit of 3% per year for going early , they will lose the lumpsum payment ( the "excess" plan ) . With the normal retirement age going up to 65 I'm not sure what the trigger date for the excess plan payment is now . When I retired it was age 60 and if you retired one day early you did not get it . Now as to pilots using the contract to their benefit . It has always been this way and it always will be . A pilot would be foolish not to do anything the contract allows to improve his retirement . Don't you agree ? If NWA pilots retire early it will have no effect on the current retirement plan funding . I know it is shocking that pilots will try to sharp shoot the contract but what else have you got to think about on a 12 hour trans-pac !!

 

This is the problem dealing with folks like you Slowplay. You're more interested in humping someone's leg than actually reading what they write. So I'll try one last time. Ready?

No single NWA pilot can stop anybody from doing anything that our contract allows. For that matter, the entire NWA pilot group can't stop anybody from doing anything that our contract allows. No more than you or any other Delta pilot could stop another Delta pilot from rightfully taking their lump sum - even though it meant bankrupting the pension plan for all the other Delta pilots.

With regard to our pension plan (of which you know nothing), read the above post.

I can't answer it any more clearly than that. Now please go hump someone else's leg.

I'm done with you on this.

Carl

 

You're quite the victim, aren't you? I think there's a world of difference between someone taking legally earned and protected retirement and someone (a high number, of which you're not encouraging this behavior) calling in sick when they're not to steal equity from NWA pilots and profit from all new Delta pilots.

Maybe you should stick with groundskeeping, Carl. You see, I actually read the stuff your MEC put out. Just by reading a few ziplines I found out that you don't know nearly as much as you think you do. Remember that you were wrong about the interest rate on the funding required of your pension? You're also wrong about accruing service with a hard frozen plan. Yet you continue to act as an authority on something you apparently know little about.

You're writing is the type of passive aggressive stuff that is legend from your MEC and your forum. Your direct arbitration case even started with a Redbook-Greenbook slam of Greg Averill by Eric Newman. I think the majority of your pilots will really enjoy the cultural change provided by our southern Koolaide. A small minority of our guys will really get into the conspiracy theories, backbiting, and disingenuous behaviors that a very small number of your guys seem to enjoy (ALPA Watch, votes of confidence, etc.), but I think the rest are ready for change. Of course, that cultural change might induce a little accountability into some of your "volunteers" that might make them uncomfortable...

It must be hard for a couple of your guys to read the transcripts of what actually occured in January through June this year.

I'm looking forward to what NWA brings to the new Delta. I just hope that those that aren't going to be new Delta aren't allowed to steal from us along the way.