ACEFLYERSWA

This talks about linking the two company's system together not the technology of our stand alone system.

same as above, you think it took us so long to go to Minneapolis because someone had to type MSP in the system, give me a break.

Nortonious

Oh c'mon dude, and I got a bridge to sell you.

WEACLRS, how is it you got SWA so well figured out but don't work here?

Oh, btw, CS2 is now running in 44 SWA cities and removes this "technological barrier." The rest of the cities will on-line soon. But you probably knew that too...

newKnow

From Plane Buzz....

"Southwest Airlines Announces Codeshare And Some Pilots Are Not Happy



Today we have a new subject to talk about.

Well, I guess the main topic is a familiar one. Pilots who are not happy with things that management is doing for, er, to them.

But in this case, the players on the playing field have changed.

You may have read the news release yesterday in which Southwest Airlines announced a new codeshare agreement with Volaris -- a Mexican airline.

In the release Monday, Southwest said that the airlines will coordinate flight schedules and reservation systems, allowing Southwest customers to book flights to Mexico using both carriers. Volaris currently serves cities including Mexico City, Tijuana, Cancun, Guadalajara, Mexicali and Acapulco.


But wait just a minute.

Who stands to lose potential flying if the airline goes ahead with this codeshare agreement, as well as the agreement already announced with WestJet?

That's right. Southwest Airlines' pilots.

Today the PlaneBusiness email box has received more than a fistful of emails from Southwest pilots who are not happy campers. To say that this is an unusual occurrence would be a hefty understatement.

Here is an excerpt from one of the longer notes:

"In really simple terms, and feel free to use it (just don’t credit me, a bit of a witch hunt going on here), it should not be called Code Sharing, but Outsourcing.



[Southwest CEO] Kelly and SWAPA negotiated a codeshare (outsourcing) agreement in the new contract during the initial current negotiations. This was about a year ago. He stated publicly that even though it had not been voted on, that he would honor that agreement. He has since come back to our negotiators and said he wants to re-negotiate that portion of the new contract. Meanwhile, he is doing all the codesharing (outsourcing) he can while he “slow rolls” our contract negotiations.


WestJet has announced 15% growth after our agreement with them.


Volaris says they will double in size.


Kelly cut 6% of our flying.


Now the rumor is that Republic is negotiating with Kelly to take over our short haul intra-Texas flying.


I am a 20+ year guy and am really disgusted with what is going on here. I spent several years at a Lorenzo airline and am seeing parallels that I thought would never happen here. The line employees realize they are just numbers to Kelly."


Where is the LUV?

Yes it's now been two years and counting and there is still no new contract between the pilots and the company. From the sound and tone of the notes we received this morning, it sounds like maybe the tone from the pilots' side has just taken a little turn towards a more defensive posture."

UCLAbruins

Maybe its time to have a straight up with your union instead of complaining on public forums. Why are Volaris and WestJet doing your Mexican and Canadian flying???? flying your passengers, growing at your expense....

Now a regional might start flying your passengers as well? hum once a regional gets a piece of the pie, then who knows.....

newKnow

You know I didn't write that, right?

AirbusA320

Management is being management. SWA has never been through Chap 11, so by that luck its pilots are some of the best paid in the USA. Original a DAL 777 drivers were suppose to get 300K a year but that got knocked way down. I'll bet you those Canadian and Mexicans don't make anything near the SWA pay grade.

It's kinda like NAFTA for airlines!

clemente

Volaris is currently loosing alot of money, they are trying hard to convince investors to invest, currently they just lost a couple of important investors. Don´t think they will be around in the next couple of years, just like some Low Cost Airlines in Mexico just went under. Don´t see what WN saw in them, for the future. Kind of makes WN look bad in venturing with such airline.

River6

Gary Kelly is a bean counter, many of our pilots and our own union seem to forget that. The only thing Kelly is interested in is the bottom line....... Nothing else matters in the end. And in business and when you're the CEO that's what has to matter. SWAPA, just like all the other unions sold their pilots especially their FO's down the river with using Association money to lobby for the age 60 change. And then to make matters worse SWAPA dropped the ball on the TA section of the code share of the new Section 6 it's trying to negotiate. So now you have two carries one to the North and one to the South who are going to double their growth all awhile Southwest is going to cancel aircraft orders, retire older aircraft and have no growth in 2009 and probably none in 2010. What's left is stagnation. A 7 year FO is topped out basically on income without a upgrade and upgrades at SWA after this codeshare and no growth for 2009 will be running around 9-10 years and could go as high as 13 years.

clemente

I´d hate to see what passengers would think of WN if an accident occurs. Heard pilots at this airline Volaris are not that qualified with most F.O´s right out of school with 250 hours logged. Captains are mostly the one either laid off from some other carrier or the ones that did not make it to a major airline because of failed check rides. Remember they will be flying our passengers down to Mexico. Volaris isn`t held to flight certifications an audits such as the likes of Aeromexico or Mexicana which are audited constantly by SkyTeam or StarAlliance, making them reliable and safer. Let`s not get into their language proficiency, or what their level is, which i´m sure is not very good. I´m not sure what made WN venture into this but what I am sure of is that they need to look further into this airline as to weather they meet the standard not only of IACO, FAA, but Southwests´. This will be depremental to WN´s reputation.

C5Guy

Was it bad for Delta with Comair's accident in Lexington? I'm not being a smarta$$ I really just don't know. I wonder if management even thought about this before they signed their name away.