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Fins Up 11-21-2008 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by WaterBoarder (Post 503074)
....We got a pay raise and furlough protection with a new contract negotiated by us, the Pilots, not some third party union thug.

I didn't get a payraise!

alvrb211 11-21-2008 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by Herkulesdrvr (Post 503723)
How? I enjoy going to work that's how. For the most part the people we work with are hard working, well intentioned and seem to care. However, things like healthcare and retirement should be much better.

You couldn't possibly agree that our healthcare and retirement are sufficient? I you have a family you are paying a lot of money to have them covered. This is not acceptable, plain and simple.

Sorry if you missed the point.

In my experience, that's how most people are. Most people ARE hard working, well intentioned, and care. Most firms are full of such people.
You mentioned that pay, healthcare, and retirement are questionable.
I'm just curious, what makes a company "a great company to work for" in your opinion?

AL

alvrb211 11-21-2008 05:22 PM


Originally Posted by Learflyer (Post 503715)
umm, yeah dippy, it sucks out there. Looks like you HAVE a job?:confused: My former colleagues Flight Options just laid off a bunch today. They've been in a union fight for 4 years (one that I voted for). Good luck pickin' that pepper out of the fly $hit!

I hope your former collegues find employment soon.

To what do you attribute their layoffs?

AL

Herkulesdrvr 11-21-2008 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by alvrb211 (Post 503747)
In my experience, that's how most people are. Most people ARE hard working, well intentioned, and care. Most firms are full of such people.
You mentioned that pay, healthcare, and retirement are questionable.
I'm just curious, what makes a company "a great company to work for" in your opinion?

AL

I'm not going to go down this road with you. It's obvious by the pcrb that our pay is low and that our benefits are not sufficient. If you are interested having representation then vote if not then don't. Remember though, its our future nobody else's.

I know that I am worth much more than what I am currently compensated at. Just curious, are you in management at JB or do you actually fly for JB??

B727DRVR 11-21-2008 09:35 PM

Flight Options Layoff???
 
Hey Learflyer,

Flight Options laid off today?!?:( This isn't the same group of 70 hostages is it? Please clue us in. Thanks!

In Unity,

B727DRVR:cool:

PS- I almost forgot, Congratulations to the JBPA! I would take ANY union over being an at-will employee any day. And you can work with ALPA to get their same excellent medical and legal package...

cgtpilot 11-21-2008 09:50 PM


Originally Posted by B727DRVR (Post 503886)
Hey Learflyer,

Flight Options laid off today?!?:( This isn't the same group of 70 hostages is it? Please clue us in. Thanks!

In Unity,

B727DRVR:cool:

PS- I almost forgot, Congratulations to the JBPA! I would take ANY union over being an at-will employee any day. And you can work with ALPA to get their same excellent medical and legal package...

Please inform me what I'm "missing out with" by not being with ALPA? Almost Possibly Probably Anyway didn't do crap for me at my 2 previous carriers...other than take 1.9% of my pay so the MECs could meet in Herndon and have steak & red wine. All the while the National Officers were raking in 300k+ I've just gotta know? What a once great, proud UNION down the toilet now RJ union...sad, very sad. What did I miss???

Learflyer 11-22-2008 03:15 AM


Originally Posted by B727DRVR (Post 503886)
Hey Learflyer,

Flight Options laid off today?!?:( This isn't the same group of 70 hostages is it? Please clue us in. Thanks!

In Unity,

B727DRVR:cool:

PS- I almost forgot, Congratulations to the JBPA! I would take ANY union over being an at-will employee any day. And you can work with ALPA to get their same excellent medical and legal package...

No, it was the bottom 104 on the list. Definetaly economic considerations this time and no games.

alvrb211 11-22-2008 04:37 AM

Herk,

Apparently I've given you the wrong impression.

I've seen great things achieved by unions and I've seen things get as ugly as they could get short of a chapter 7 filing.

I hear arguments all the time based on what ALPA did in the past. It's all irrelevant!

A union is only as good as its union!

As with any organization comprised of enthusiastic, educated individuals, anything is possible. Communication is one of the most important elements of any organization. Lack of effective communication is also a major weakness in most organizations including pilot groups! Unions certainly facilitate communication.

Shiny new equipment and nice people alone don't make a company great to work for. You can find that anywhere. Only $$$ will support my family and pay my bills!

It's all about the package!

AL

alvrb211 11-22-2008 05:00 AM


Originally Posted by Learflyer (Post 503924)
My former colleagues Flight Options just laid off a bunch today. They've been in a union fight for 4 years (one that I voted for). Good luck pickin' that pepper out of the fly $hit!.


Originally Posted by Learflyer (Post 503924)
No, it was the bottom 104 on the list. Definetaly economic considerations this time and no games.


What was your problem with the union again?



AL

Learflyer 11-22-2008 05:14 AM

When the economy is bad, a union won't do $hit.


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