Did you just insult any pilot at B6 with a military background? I'm at the end of the list. I sit reserve and occasionally fly. I do the work with a smile on my face and to the best of my ability. I know this: In my previous military career , my independent decision-making kept myself, my crews, and fellow Marines alive. Don't insult the sacrifices I made by poorly generalizing about military order and discipline. It has very little to do with a civilian workforce and a union vote. You, instead, appear quite ignorant and quickly look to alienate a very important JB pilots population to this vote: previous military with no union experience. If you would like to promote the non-union ideal, then try using a more effective argument tactic than insulting a swing voter on this issue. Happy to pull your gear!

Marching order? Yeah, ok.

Question for you. Is your healthcare, not pay, not retirement, but healthcare sufficient for your family? A simple yes or no answer would suffice. If you can honestly say that our healthcare is adequate then we have huge problems. If we care so much about our people then why are we NOT caring for them with healthcare? I always read in emails how we need to give our 110% with our customer but this company does not give that in return to its workers? Seems a little strange dont you think?

Your deep insights show the quality of JetBlue's future Union Leadership.

[quote=Logger;504290]Did you just insult any pilot at B6 with a military background?
[quote]

Negative, that would include me.
I do find however, that a few of JBLU’s
ex military pilots without any civilian airline/union
experience, look at this union thing with a certain
innocence. The reality is ugly, guys. Be careful
what you wish for. We have a good thing going
here, don’t screw it up.
Just ask your buddies who fly for other
major airlines.

Just wondering who you want to protect you if, God forbid, you screw up during a trip? ALPA may not be the best show in town, but they certainly go to bat for their pilots, whether it's in the medical, legal, or any other help. Are they the answer to our prayers? No, probably not, but they DO PROTECT us, and THAT is the bottom line. No union means NO protection. In this industry, if you screw up, chances are you are done. Must be nice to be in a situation where you need NO protection. This argument is just like car insurance. Sure, you can drive for a long time and never need it, but when you do need it, it sure is nice to have. I'll take ALPA or ANY union over nothing any day.:rolleyes:

Waterboarder,:confused:

Since you like to draw comparisons, why don't you list the "Major" airlines that pay $55/hr to their 3rd year pilots.:eek:

Shouldn't take long!

What was the "good thing" you didn't want screwed up?



AL

....and some more desperate sad management tactics at play form waterboarder....since he cannot explain how our medical ,prescription coverage, LOL, VSTD, scheduling rules or merger and fragmentation policy are even close to average, he retorts to petty insults hoping to draw parallels between past union leadership and ours.

You sir, are pathetic

How about some numbers? I can give them to you straight form a documnet even our leadership accepted. can you?

PS: did you get your cookie form JR yet? I bet he will give you a big one this time...what a good boy...wag your tail for him boy, wag it.

Greedy,

Waterboarder doesn't care about numbers. He gets turned on by shiny planes.

AL

I'm at American. I'm not a Jetblue hater. I did read the 19 pages of psycho babble about justifying trans-con turns. That is why we have unions. I know some of you loved the idea of extra days off by submitting to the trans-con turns, but it wasn't worth the risk.
That idea would have never made it past the drawing board. 4am wake-up, 8pm Canarsie VOR in low vis. All in the same day.

Speaking as an outsider to Jet Blue but, one with experience with both Union and Non-union companies.
Any Union is better than no union and the union you have is a product of the people who make it up. If the membership supports it the union will be sucessful, if not it will fail.
If someone refers to a union leader as a thug you are talking to a manager who is fearfull for their job , a management wannabe, or a pilot who has gained advantage at the expense of their fellow pilots. Management is usually sent out with marching orders to slander any potential leadership and to plant seeds of fear or grant special , usually one time, benefits on pilots who " aren't that way" or are "special".
Wish you the best of luck.