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Old 11-26-2008, 10:07 PM
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As a fairly new regional fo I have a question for mainline pilots. I know there is a lot riding on this subject, but please offer some informal responses. What is the chance of mainline taking back, through scope or other means, the routes that most if not only myself think should be at mainline? I realize if this happened today I would most likely end up on the street. But the truth is I would welcome that outcome if it would lead to myself and others having more opportunity to move on to mainline in the future. Also I am becoming sick of the whipsaw and such that is going on at contract carriers, most of which I DREAM would disappear if mainlines took back the flying that is theirs.
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My personal opinion is that they can never be taken back from regional carriers. Should they be? YES, Absolutly.
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Mainline taking back flying from the regionals, I don't see that happening, specially now with Bombardier and Embrear building 70, 90, and 100 seat regional jets.
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Old 11-27-2008, 04:23 AM
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Mainline taking back flying from the regionals, I don't see that happening, specially now with Bombardier and Embrear building 70, 90, and 100 seat regional jets.
Those are actually mainline jets, not regional. But hey, the line between "regional" and "mainline" has been blurred. Right now, the question should be, "Are they B-scale or A-scale jets?"
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As a fairly new regional fo I have a question for mainline pilots. I know there is a lot riding on this subject, but please offer some informal responses. What is the chance of mainline taking back, through scope or other means, the routes that most if not only myself think should be at mainline? I realize if this happened today I would most likely end up on the street. But the truth is I would welcome that outcome if it would lead to myself and others having more opportunity to move on to mainline in the future. Also I am becoming sick of the whipsaw and such that is going on at contract carriers, most of which I DREAM would disappear if mainlines took back the flying that is theirs.
That would be akin to closing the barn door after all the horses are gone.
No sympathy for ALPA here, they left the door open many years ago.
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As a fairly new regional fo I have a question for mainline pilots. I know there is a lot riding on this subject, but please offer some informal responses. What is the chance of mainline taking back, through scope or other means, the routes that most if not only myself think should be at mainline? I realize if this happened today I would most likely end up on the street. But the truth is I would welcome that outcome if it would lead to myself and others having more opportunity to move on to mainline in the future. Also I am becoming sick of the whipsaw and such that is going on at contract carriers, most of which I DREAM would disappear if mainlines took back the flying that is theirs.
To have this view of scope being a new Regional pilot is refreshing to see and I applaud that. Most of us mainline pilots have come from the ranks of the regional world.

To answer your question - in my opinion - the 50 seat scope is lost. The current situation is the 70 seat to 90 seat scope. That is where the line is drawn depending on the airline. Until it is unprofitable to operate them it is something that we must deal with.

In the meantime develop your resume and get the most experience you can for the next wave of hiring.

Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.
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To have this view of scope being a new Regional pilot is refreshing to see and I applaud that. Most of us mainline pilots have come from the ranks of the regional world.

To answer your question - in my opinion - the 50 seat scope is lost. The current situation is the 70 seat to 90 seat scope. That is where the line is drawn depending on the airline. Until it is unprofitable to operate them it is something that we must deal with.

In the meantime develop your resume and get the most experience you can for the next wave of hiring.

Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.

Air Canada seems to have gotten it right with the 170/190...I wonder if they are making the money they planned on.
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Old 11-27-2008, 05:41 AM
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I bet that we will see large regional jets at mainline carriers in the next few years.
Those 170's etc are great jets. I really enjoy flying in the back or em. Front is nice too.
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To have this view of scope being a new Regional pilot is refreshing to see and I applaud that. Most of us mainline pilots have come from the ranks of the regional world.

To answer your question - in my opinion - the 50 seat scope is lost. The current situation is the 70 seat to 90 seat scope. That is where the line is drawn depending on the airline. Until it is unprofitable to operate them it is something that we must deal with.
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CAL and AA have not given it up.. CAL is still restricting its affiliates to 50 seats. APA has limited Eagle to 25 70 seaters..

AA has already approached APA about E-170-190 aircraft to Eagle and other affiliates. NO WAY, I do not care how much the pay raise is, that is a NO vote.. I have seen the destruction of United in the form of Republic. I am watching the demise of Midwest though Republic..

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Most of us mainline pilots have come from the ranks of the regional world.
Hmmm...Most guys I fly with seem to come from the ranks of the military world. Sorry, couldn't resist! Anyway, I'm all for any jet powered aircraft over 50 seats at mainline.

I've heard all the RJ900 aircraft in the Delta system are actually owned or leased directly to Delta, and not the regional affiliate. Anyone know if there is any truth to that?
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