Originally Posted by Tinpusher007

And this is a good point, but what some people don't seem to realize is that just because AA and CO for example won't give on anything larger than 50 seats, does not mean that "protection" translates into growth at mainline. AA has more pilots on the street than any other airline. CO is parking 737's and just furloughed. Now, don't look at my avatar and postion and assume that Im ignorant or am for CRJ-900's taking over all mainline flying. Because Im not.

The point Im making is that what we would all like is for less farming out of flying to "regional" airlines. Theoretically, if airlines stopped this practice, that flying could be done by say a 737 at mainline, which would create more and better paying jobs there instead of an influx of RJ's and whipsawing, etc. But this has not been shown to be true. The airlines won't do it. The economics don't support it. 50 seat jets for the most part are what most airlines want to rid themselves of. So Im not sure if keeping so many of them, even in the name if scope helps the bottom line. As far as putting 70-76 seaters at mainline...again...not gonna happen. We can all point the finger at ALPA for letting the cat out or all the wanna be airline pilots willing to fly em at regionals. Both points have meritt. Air Canada seems to have the right formula, and I've always asked why US airlines can't follow that lead. But I guess it all comes down to money.

Originally Posted by jsled

Republic is furloughing, too. Try 950 furloughs over at scope-less UAL. Funny how both AMR and CAL have 737 orders on the books. JMHO.

Originally Posted by AAflyer

CAL and AA have not given it up.. CAL is still restricting its affiliates to 50 seats. APA has limited Eagle to 25 70 seaters..

AA has already approached APA about E-170-190 aircraft to Eagle and other affiliates. NO WAY, I do not care how much the pay raise is, that is a NO vote.. I have seen the destruction of United in the form of Republic. I am watching the demise of Midwest though Republic..

AAflyer

Originally Posted by AAflyer

CAL and AA have not given it up.. CAL is still restricting its affiliates to 50 seats. APA has limited Eagle to 25 70 seaters..

AA has already approached APA about E-170-190 aircraft to Eagle and other affiliates. NO WAY, I do not care how much the pay raise is, that is a NO vote.. I have seen the destruction of United in the form of Republic. I am watching the demise of Midwest though Republic..

AAflyer

Originally Posted by dojetdriver

If I'm not mistaken, recall notice went out at RAH.

Originally Posted by Wheels up

The problem is that most of the ALPA carriers, UAL, DAL, and NW have been through bankruptcy and have given up virtually all scope protection. Hence, the companies are dumbing-down narrowbody flying by calling these 75-100 seat aircraft RJs. The combined DAL/NWA has an incredible number of 50-100 seat airplanes at their alter-ego carrier Compass, and the myriad of commuters.

So far the APA is holding tight to their scope and appears to not willing to give an inch more to the dumbing-down of the profession.

Originally Posted by dojetdriver

If I'm not mistaken, recall notice went out at RAH.

Originally Posted by jsled

Glad to hear it. But Fly I is still GONE!

Originally Posted by jsled

and the recall notices went out at RAH while the furlough notices went out at Midwest.

Originally Posted by jsled

As they say on the Hertz commercial....not exactly. AMR has so many pilots on the street because they bought TWA just before 9/11. In hindsight, not a good move. Almost all of the guys (if not all) still on the street are x-TWA. CAL grew like a weed in the last 5 years, 3 year captain upgrades....not bad, at the same time UAL was deploying 70 seaters with a vengence. You think CAL would have grown like that if not for their scope? OK, now CAL is furloughing...what 150 guys? Republic is furloughing, too. Try 950 furloughs over at scope-less UAL. Funny how both AMR and CAL have 737 orders on the books. JMHO.